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						12:05 am
						Penguin
						
						Hello folks
					 
									
						12:10 am
						mandi
						
						hi Penguin
					 
									
									
						12:10 am
						mandi
						
						did you make it, Orb?
					 
									
						12:10 am
						Penguin
						
						Hi Orb,
Did you make your ten minute goal?
					 
									
						12:11 am
						orb
						
						I think so - not sure if they ran or not
					 
									
									
						12:11 am
						Penguin
						
						Hi Mandi
					 
									
						12:16 am
						orb
						
						The problem with ironsudoku is that it is so anticlimactic.  You wait all day for a puzzle.  And then a few minutes later, all you have is: Tomorrow's puzzle will be available in 23+ hours
					 
									
									
						12:16 am
						mandi
						
						I understand
					 
									
						12:17 am
						orb
						
						I guess that's better than complaining about how it eats up all my time every day
					 
									
						12:17 am
						orb
						
						I don't see how those guys play babble every day
					 
									
						12:17 am
						orb
						
						I'd go insane
					 
									
									
						12:18 am
						Penguin
						
						8-)
This is enough of a time-killer for me, too.
					 
									
						12:20 am
						orb
						
						saw an interesting book last week at a conference: "programming sudoku"
					 
									
						12:20 am
						Penguin
						
						Was it about solving Sudoku problems or writing them?
					 
									
						12:20 am
						orb
						
						almost bought it except all the code was visual basic (yuk) and it didn't appear from a casual glance that the authors really knew much about sudoku
					 
									
						12:21 am
						orb
						
						either that or they inentionally dumbed it down
					 
									
						12:21 am
						orb
						
						it was about writing programs to solve
					 
									
						12:21 am
						orb
						
						and generating puzzles
					 
									
						12:22 am
						orb
						
						http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590596625
					 
									
						12:22 am
						Penguin
						
						I've written a Java program to solve Sudoku puzzles ... and it wasn't too difficult to write.  Writing a program to generate the puzzles would be more challenging -- particularly if it is ensuring that there is only one solution.
					 
									
						12:23 am
						orb
						
						that looked like the only interesting part.  the solver was "do a bunch of simple techniques and then brute force the rest"
					 
									
						12:24 am
						orb
						
						I thought there might be some actual discussion of algorithms or optimizations
					 
									
						12:25 am
						Penguin
						
						Well, with modern computer speeds, brute force for an "Expert" level puzzle only takes a second or two to solve.  It is a small enough data set, even with all possible combinatorials considered, that it is not worth optimizing.
					 
									
						12:26 am
						skoal79
						
						wow....do you people ever get laid
					 
									
						12:26 am
						orb
						
						is that an offer?
					 
									
						12:27 am
						Penguin
						
						Which way do you swing, skoal?  8-)
					 
									
						12:28 am
						skoal79
						
						I'm just saying with all the high level of nerdery being spoken, you guys probably aren't focusing on the poontang
					 
									
						12:28 am
						Penguin
						
						A little more seriously, one does need hobbies outside the bedroom.  (And at this time of night, my partner's already asleep).
In terms of nerdiness, I prefer the term "geek".
					 
									
						12:29 am
						orb
						
						What?  You mean this doesn't help for that?  
					 
									
						12:29 am
						orb
						
						I just come here for the sudoku chicks
					 
									
						12:30 am
						orb
						
						"talk numbers to me"
					 
									
						12:30 am
						skoal79
						
						next months playboy... turn ons: Sudoku 
					 
									
						12:31 am
						Penguin
						
						Check out the "hidden triplets"?
					 
									
						12:37 am
						Penguin
						
						Got it!  Tonight's was a bit more challenging than last night's.  Have fun!
					 
									
						12:59 am
						mikehell
						
						now that was easy...
					 
									
									
						2:00 am
						Anne
						
						soooo easy today. goody -  more time to babble
					 
									
						2:18 am
						GingerUK
						
						Easy medium today!
					 
									
						2:35 am
						MaW
						
						Another medium??
					 
									
									
									
									
						3:56 am
						Linda
						
						anne - you'll need the extra time to babble today.  it's a hard one!
					 
									
						4:41 am
						sprite
						
						Good afternoon :)
					 
									
									
						7:10 am
						bigshow
						
						I'm sure there's some crucial technique that I'm missing from my arsenal, I keep getting about half way through puzzles and getting stuck
					 
									
						7:31 am
						bigshow
						
						aahh locked sets - job done
					 
									
						7:47 am
						Hagar
						
						No - missed a 5, need to start over (too bad you can't fill in either/or-numbers)
					 
									
									
						8:15 am
						SUPERMAN
						
						hey, everybody!
					 
									
						8:24 am
						dinoshadow
						
						hagar, you can - hold down the shift key
					 
									
						9:46 am
						scribble's mom
						
						Done!! now off to babble, have a good day!
					 
									
						10:23 am
						hurshy
						
						ok, why didn't anybody tell hagar about the little numbers
					 
									
						10:24 am
						sneeu
						
						woot - little numbers!
					 
									
						10:35 am
						hurshy
						
						woot!  no little numbers! :)
					 
									
						10:47 am
						darkfred
						
						damnit i have been doing these without little numbers for weeks. Even managed a hard. This makes it a bit easier
					 
									
						10:57 am
						hurshy
						
						i like the challenge of doing without
					 
									
									
						11:33 am
						David Mitchell
						
						You did it again, hurshy?
					 
									
						11:34 am
						David Mitchell
						
						I finally managed it late last night
					 
									
						11:34 am
						David Mitchell
						
						on yesterday's puzzle
					 
									
						11:53 am
						Grace O'Malley
						
						hi everyone
					 
									
						11:54 am
						David Mitchell
						
						Hi, Grace
					 
									
						11:55 am
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Hi David. I am feeling very sad today so someone please cheer me up
					 
									
						12:01 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						well never mind about that need to be going have to clean my room. bye
					 
									
						12:03 pm
						David Mitchell
						
						Aww, I'm sorry (and sorry I didn't catch that)
					 
									
						12:04 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Well hi again everyone
					 
									
						12:05 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Well heres the thing the weather is bright and shinny today and I have to clean my room
					 
									
						12:05 pm
						David Mitchell
						
						Hi again
					 
									
						12:06 pm
						David Mitchell
						
						What is the matter today?
					 
									
						12:07 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						I want to hang out outside and I have to clean my room which is a whole week project
					 
									
						12:07 pm
						David Mitchell
						
						Ick
					 
									
						12:09 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Well better be really going or else it will take longer for me to clean my room
					 
									
						12:09 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Bye everyone see ya david
					 
									
						12:09 pm
						David Mitchell
						
						I hope it goes quickly
					 
									
						12:10 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Thanks bye
					 
									
						12:20 pm
						plurple
						
						Someone give me the answers!
					 
									
						12:27 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						hi all
					 
									
						12:31 pm
						wolfman
						
						hi everyone
					 
									
						12:31 pm
						wolfman
						
						how is it today?
					 
									
						12:33 pm
						wolfman
						
						ooh really?
					 
									
						12:34 pm
						wolfman
						
						isn't that fascinating
					 
									
						12:35 pm
						sneeu
						
						bored wolfman? ;)
					 
									
									
						12:36 pm
						wolfman
						
						which is why i attempted to initiate a conversation, but apparently nothing doing
:P
					 
									
						12:36 pm
						sneeu
						
						i seem to have stepped up.
					 
									
						12:37 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						most of us are glued to this puzzle :)
					 
									
									
						12:39 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						hmm... I've got a bug on the UI stopping me from entering a number
					 
									
						12:39 pm
						wolfman
						
						i just like to have some sort of contact with my fellow sudoku addicts :)
					 
									
						12:39 pm
						wolfman
						
						which is why i attempted to initiate a conversation, but apparently nothing doing
					 
									
						12:39 pm
						wolfman
						
						whoa... double posting in an IM... wierd
					 
									
						12:43 pm
						Talk24hr
						
						hey everyone
					 
									
						12:46 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						thank god for print screen and paint
					 
									
						12:46 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						damned bugs!
					 
									
						12:47 pm
						Talk24hr
						
						i just started, is today's puzzle difficult at all for any of u guys?
					 
									
						12:53 pm
						chebuctonian
						
						this one was fairly straightforward; no advanced solving was necessary
					 
									
						1:28 pm
						parsec
						
						you know how I can tell it's straightforward?
					 
									
						1:29 pm
						parsec
						
						...because I managed to mess it up.
					 
									
						2:27 pm
						EvilBernd
						
						k - i am stuck - anyone got a shovel??
					 
									
						2:31 pm
						kadmon76
						
						finished it !!! now we can eat!!
					 
									
						2:37 pm
						moxSapphyre
						
						time check
					 
									
						3:16 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Hi everyone
					 
									
						3:17 pm
						gingerbread
						
						..anyone doing this because they're that bored?
					 
									
						3:18 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						No i'm doing this because I messed up earler on today
					 
									
						3:18 pm
						gingerbread
						
						oh then i guess its just me ^.^'
					 
									
						3:19 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Maybe but earlier on today I was doing it because I didn't want to clean my room
					 
									
						3:20 pm
						gingerbread
						
						heh well im stuck in web mastering class and i just flunked my test so i had to keep myself entertained somehow
					 
									
						3:21 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						Oh well I am home reluctantly cleaning my room 
					 
									
						3:22 pm
						gingerbread
						
						all one can do is stall but sooner or later we have to clean our room
					 
									
						3:22 pm
						Grace O'Malley
						
						well beter continue on my room so I'll see you all later bye
					 
									
									
									
									
									
						7:01 pm
						twstedangel
						
						hello
					 
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
						9:02 pm
						yul
						
						i like a 'not doing greens' way
					 
									
									
									
						9:38 pm
						yul
						
						done without greens nicely
					 
									
						9:42 pm
						yul
						
						good bye everybody
					 
									
						10:52 pm
						MotiveForce
						
						haha wut up?