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Difficulty: Medium Saturday, August 25, 2007

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CHAT LOG for Saturday, August 25, 2007

12:26 am
drwho

Difficulty score 19. Very easy for a medium.
12:31 am
drwho

Until today, we had a run of 8 Easy puzzles in a row going. Wednesday was much easier than usual, the rest were probably slightly harder than the average easy.
12:50 am
WHB

Done
12:58 am
hokie carla

yeah, pretty easy, but I had to start over once because I broke Hurshey's #1 rule.
1:12 am
FranMag

go
1:12 am
FranMag

what's that rule hokie?
1:23 am
FranMag

done, no greens
1:24 am
Jamsicle

grats
1:25 am
FranMag

thanks! agree with you drwho, today's medium was easier than the last two easies for me.
1:25 am
Jamsicle

me too, this medium is so far easier than some of the easies this week.
3:45 am
catcat

Hi sepe. See you are busy. Now you got me addicted too.
5:29 am
Andy

done (yesterday.... fell asleep :)
5:29 am
Andy

today: go
5:31 am
docktorpuck

go
5:42 am
Andy

done
7:41 am
Inge

I am a closet sudoku player, and finally finished one on the first try!
7:42 am
FMitch

Yay Inge!
8:27 am
ypsigirl

done
9:11 am
smooth_pappa

go
9:18 am
smooth_pappa

done... no greens
9:41 am
spellacked

should have been able to do that without greens, but I got lazy
10:55 am
UnikeTheHunter

Go.
11:18 am
UnikeTheHunter

No greens. Easier than an "easy." The only peculiar move was a unique rectangle, probably not needed. Some real obvious pairs probably gave it the "medium" rating.
11:20 am
OrangeSlice

I did all crosshatch and intersections. It fell together pretty smoothly.
11:32 am
arleneehm

no greens and smoothly...either I'm getting better or that was easier than last night's
2:57 pm
sandbox74

go
3:02 pm
sandbox74

done no greens
3:58 pm
helenkeller

4:06 pm
Montreal13

done ... no greens... but i don't know what greens are !? can somebody clue me on those greens ?
4:09 pm
Montreal13

c u all later
4:14 pm
Andy

greens = click on help and read up on "subscript numbers"
4:32 pm
System

6:32 pm
System

9:17 pm
hurshy

woohoo, sudoku party on a saturday night!
9:20 pm
artlady

hi hursh
9:21 pm
hurshy

hi artlady
9:23 pm
hurshy

i did some art today, sort of
9:23 pm
artlady

Oh? What did you create?
9:23 pm
hurshy

a cat-sized decorative screen
9:24 pm
artlady

Ah, of course!
9:25 pm
artlady

Does the cat (or cats) appreciate your artistry?
9:25 pm
hurshy

it's to try to direct them a certain way as they exit the litterbox, so that by the time they get out of the path, the little pellets have all come off their feet. i don't know if they appreciate it but i'm hoping it will mean less pellets all over the house.
9:26 pm
artlady

lol. That's very creative!
9:26 pm
Krys10

my husband recommends astroturf for that kind of problem
9:26 pm
hurshy

there is a catnip infused scratching mat at the exit to slow them up a bit too
9:26 pm
artlady

How many do you have?
9:27 pm
hurshy

well krys, various types of mats are possible, but i find that it's more a matter of time. they leap right over small mats and large ones are unsightly.
9:27 pm
hurshy

i have 3 cats.
9:27 pm
Krys10

my cat is not as athletic as yours are, I guess :)
9:27 pm
artlady

The pellets would add up, then.
9:28 pm
hurshy

what i did was, i took four wooden paintings of flowers and hinged them together.
9:28 pm
hurshy

also, as they exit, they have to stand on a plastic thing with one drawer that i punched a bunch of holes in, that way i can collect them in the drawer and dump them back in.
9:28 pm
artlady

Accordion screening, then.
9:29 pm
hurshy

yes indeedy, artlady.
9:29 pm
artlady

and recycling!
9:29 pm
hurshy

well the pellets are forever, not like litter, so saving them saves me money.
9:30 pm
hurshy

they're washable. it's catgenie, the first and only truly self-cleaning cat waste disposal system.
9:31 pm
artlady

I've never had cats. Grew up with dogs. No pellets, just muddy paw prints everywhere when they come in!
9:31 pm
hurshy

i love my catgenie.
9:31 pm
bgmadden

We just got a kitten who thinks she's a dog...
9:31 pm
hurshy

hmm, yes, i don't have muddy paw prints, as the cats are indoor-only. until now. i bought a cat stroller today.
9:32 pm
hurshy

but, that will still mean no muddy paw prints.
9:32 pm
artlady

Cat stroller? What's that like?
9:32 pm
hurshy

it's like a baby stroller except you can zip it shut so they don't hop out.
9:32 pm
hurshy

and the sides have a lot of mesh so they can see stuff.
9:33 pm
artlady

That's new to me!
9:33 pm
hurshy

well i tried a harness when they were younger and that was soooo not happening. *cat plops down* "if you think i am going anywhere in this undignified condition, you're crazy."
9:33 pm
Krys10

let me know how it works :)
9:34 pm
hurshy

it's really to encourage me to exercise. i would like a dog but i don't think i should get one right now for a lot of reasons. so, to have company as i take a walk or jog...
9:34 pm
artlady

There's an image!
9:35 pm
artlady

My grandparents had a dog that would just flop on the ground if you put a leash on her.
9:35 pm
artlady

She was also terrified of men with hats.
9:35 pm
artlady

They rescued her from the dump.
9:35 pm
hurshy

a dog that thought it was a cat! the opposite of bgmadden's problem.
9:35 pm
hurshy

there would be a lot of men with hats at the dump.
9:35 pm
artlady

Theory is, a man with a hat tied a rope to her and left her there. She turned out to be a great dog, but terrified of hats and leashes!
9:36 pm
artlady

Especially in the country in Wisconsin.
9:36 pm
bgmadden

she eats the dog's food, steals his bone. and tries to go out with him...
9:37 pm
hurshy

see, i do not at all approve of people who spend lots of money on their pets FOR THE PETS. but the things i spend money on for my pets are really to improve my life. pet clothing is a silly silly thing.
9:37 pm
Krys10

I have been having the same dilemma with baby gear - is it really for the baby or is it for me?
9:37 pm
artlady

My mother has knitted snowsuits for her dog....
9:38 pm
hurshy

you're having a baby?
9:38 pm
Krys10

yup
9:38 pm
artlady

Of course, t hat's because she lives in northern Wisconsin and the snow is murder to get out of her hair.
9:38 pm
Krys10

in a month or so
9:38 pm
hurshy

when?
9:38 pm
Krys10

theoretically
9:38 pm
Krys10

i mean the month is theoretical
9:38 pm
artlady

Yes, they do have their own timetables! ;-)
9:38 pm
hurshy

my sister is having a baby in two months.
9:38 pm
Krys10

the baby is definite
9:38 pm
bgmadden

Congrats and good luck!
9:39 pm
Krys10

thanks!
9:39 pm
Krys10

aunt hurshy
9:39 pm
artlady

Auntie hurshy!
9:39 pm
artlady

lol, ditto Krys.
9:39 pm
Krys10

:)
9:40 pm
hurshy

you will have to tell me how it goes so i can prepare her
9:40 pm
Krys10

will do, but everyone has been telling me every situation is unique
9:40 pm
Krys10

do you know if she's planning a hospital birth, home birth, natural vs. meds, etc?
9:40 pm
artlady

Yes. My son was a week late and my daughter 3 weeks early.
9:41 pm
hurshy

she's doing a birthing center, sort of in between i guess
9:41 pm
Krys10

i have been instructing my little one that her lease is up at 38 weeks, but my husband points out that I am quite stubborn and if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...
9:41 pm
hurshy

i think there are not really meds there.
9:41 pm
Krys10

Hurshy, if your sis hasn't read Ina May's Guide to Childbirth yet I highly recommend it
9:42 pm
Krys10

birth centers are required to keep meds etc on hand but typically they encourage women not to use them if at all possible
9:42 pm
hurshy

i have no idea what she's read
9:42 pm
hurshy

she might do a water birth, i forget.
9:43 pm
hurshy

what kind are you doing?
9:43 pm
Krys10

neat! my hospital has labor tubs, which I am psyched about
9:44 pm
Krys10

i will be in a hospital but it's a hospital that is really supportive of natural childbirth and uses midwives instead of docs, so I am hoping to have a meds-free calm etc type experience. am reading up on hypnobirthing
9:53 pm
hurshy

i have heard about that
9:53 pm
hurshy

i knew a midwife in CT
9:53 pm
hurshy

she said you weren't even supposed to use the term "labor" if you were going to do hypnobirthing, you had to have this whole state of mind like it was not a hard or painful thing
9:53 pm
Krys10

my husband anticipated having to wave a pocketwatch in front of my face or something
9:54 pm
Krys10

"surges" or "rushes" instead of "contractions" for instance..
9:54 pm
hurshy

yeah that would SO not work on me
9:54 pm
Krys10

it's basically a lot of relaxation techniques - breathing, massage, guided visualizations etc
9:55 pm
Krys10

and the idea that there is a culture of fear and pain built up around childbirth, which makes a laboring woman more tense and causes her more pain
9:55 pm
artlady

Mmmhmmm. It's work.
9:55 pm
Krys10

we'll see if it's all crock when I get into it :)
9:55 pm
hurshy

right, exactly krys.
9:55 pm
artlady

But you forget it all when the baby's born!
9:55 pm
Krys10

ok, i'm going to head out - enjoy your weekend, everyone!
9:55 pm
hurshy

i think if you're one of those people who can really be positive and calm and stuff it might work. i mean the midwife i knew said she'd SEEN it work
9:56 pm
Krys10

artlady - that's what all the great hormones are for, eh?
9:56 pm
hurshy

bye krys, best wishes!
9:56 pm
Krys10

yeah, there's lots of case studies about it being effective, but I'm more left-brained than most and the idea is to get out of your left-brain..
9:56 pm
Krys10

see you!
9:56 pm
artlady

I've never heard of it. Unfortunately, around here a lot have epidurals during delivery. I was a natural person.
9:56 pm
artlady

'Night, Krys
9:57 pm
hurshy

see my thinking is that there is probably a reason that there is this idea floating around that childbirth is painful, the reason being that it IS painful.
9:57 pm
bgmadden

Putting my two cents worth in, I did both ways...
9:57 pm
hurshy

my grandmother says she was under general anesthesia for childbirth. now that i could go for.
9:58 pm
artlady

It was painful for me. My daughter was born in 2 hours, tho. Fast!
9:59 pm
artlady

Well, I'm almost caught up on my puzzles (after a week at school I only found some Babbling time, not Sudoku). Time to call it a night. The Bears won! (If there are any football fans out therel) :-)
9:59 pm
bgmadden

It's no walk in the park, but I preferred natural...
9:59 pm
hurshy

oh, did football start already?
9:59 pm
hurshy

i knew there were exhibition games going...
9:59 pm
bgmadden

Da Bears good night artlady\
10:00 pm
jakawie

I have to say...as someone who could not deliver vaginally, much less naturally; and as someone who also could not nurse....
10:01 pm
jakawie

...I have to wonder whether all this stuff around natural childbirth isn't entirely overrated. Mom and kid survive...mom loves kid...healthy life ensues...that's what matters, right?
10:01 pm
hurshy

well i guess MOST of the time that is true, but that statistically there are higher risks with other-than-natural, so for a few people it turns out really crappy.
10:02 pm
bgmadden

I agree that;s all that matters is everyone is happy and healthy...they overdosed me on the epidural.
10:03 pm
hurshy

now in my case it was, mom and kid survive, mom loves kid, but kid is unable to bond with mom or feel love for her, and dad thinks he'd be better off dead (for no particular reason), unhealthy life ensues.
10:03 pm
jakawie

Risks for whom? Not a challenge, a true question.
10:04 pm
hurshy

risks for the baby, was my understanding.
10:04 pm
hurshy

but seeing as i do not plan to have children, i am certainly not an expert.
10:04 pm
jakawie

I had a dreadful time bonding with my son, in spite of making a valiant effort to nurse. Turns out it was severe post-partum.
10:05 pm
hurshy

oh my mom bonded with ME, it just wasn't a two way street.
10:05 pm
hurshy

i'm sorry you had that problem though. :(
10:06 pm
jakawie

Thanks Hursh. I think the lack of education around ppd is depressing in and of itself. I tell my friends "No matter what the voices tell you..."
10:06 pm
jakawie

...Don't boil the baby!!
10:07 pm
hurshy

i can sympathize on account of having regular depression.
10:07 pm
hurshy

i should call my friend who had a baby not long ago, i heard she has PPD
10:07 pm
bgmadden

ppd is very hard jakawie I had it with my second one...and now struggle with it all the time....
10:08 pm
jakawie

Yup, me too. It's still baffling to me how long it took my husband and me to figure it out.
10:08 pm
bgmadden

First you think it's hormones or something and it just gets worse..
10:09 pm
hurshy

and you know what else sucks? it sucks that people are so used to the stupid non-discussion argumentative soundbites that you have to specify if you're asking an actual question because you want an answer.
10:09 pm
jakawie

My experience of ppd was waaay different from "ordinary" depression. Thoughts like "i could throw him out the window and make it look like an accident."
10:09 pm
hurshy

well, i mean, it's not THAT different, jakawie - you're just having those thoughts about the baby instead of about yourself.
10:10 pm
bgmadden

I just wanted to drive my truck at 80 mph into a wall with out the kids....
10:10 pm
bgmadden

I realized it was time to go to the doctor then
10:10 pm
hurshy

i mean i've tried to use the internet to find out the least painful way to commit suicide... seems like they've managed to outlaw those sites though, or something. porn, hate speech, that's all ok, but not suicide.
10:11 pm
jakawie

Oy bgmadden. I hear you. My husband figured it out for me.
10:11 pm
jakawie

Death by chocolate.
10:11 pm
hurshy

that's really good that you have a sensitive and observant husband.
10:12 pm
jakawie

I am sooo fortunate.
10:12 pm
bgmadden

Anyway, my youngest is 8 now and life is great with it's ups and downs now that I recognize it.
10:13 pm
jakawie

Better living through chemistry...I'm all for it.
10:13 pm
jawilke

go
10:13 pm
hurshy

me too. i'm definitely better on meds. though still not actually all the way to "happy".
10:13 pm
bgmadden

Hbby just walked in and wants to go to sleep. Nite all....
10:14 pm
jakawie

...uh, well-controlled chemistry, that is. 'Night bgmadden.
10:14 pm
jakawie

Me neither Hurshy. But that's just part of my peculiar complex I think.
10:15 pm
hurshy

so why do you go on? i mean when i think that i may live not happy the whole rest of my life... it is SO discouraging.
10:16 pm
jawilke

done
10:16 pm
hurshy

that's very impressive jawilke
10:17 pm
jawilke

ty
10:17 pm
jakawie

Well...my depression doesn't always manifest as misery or persistent thoughts of suicide. Mine is more about persistent thoughts of other people dying.
10:17 pm
jawilke

just had to chime in there so no one would get me confused w/ jakawie
10:17 pm
jakawie

Yes, our names are close. I saw that.
10:18 pm
hurshy

yes, i used to have a lot of trouble about other people's suffering. i'm doing better about that, but, that's kind of bad, i wish it were the other way round.
10:19 pm
hurshy

i used to have HORRIBLE nightmares, but i have not had one in a really long time now.
10:19 pm
hurshy

now i only have occasional, regular nightmares. not the wake up crying and sweating ones.
10:20 pm
jakawie

I recognize some of my strengths and take joy in sharing them. That often keeps me going.
10:21 pm
jakawie

I've also had to learn NOT to indulge some of my "paranoid fantasies."
10:21 pm
hurshy

that is good. i can do that some, but i guess i need more people in my life to give to.
10:22 pm
hurshy

yes, me too - but the anti-anxiety med i think helps a lot with that.
10:23 pm
jakawie

I was on buspar for the longest time and then went off when I got pregnant. Now I'm in pretty dire need and it's on order...
10:23 pm
hurshy

what kind is buspar, i have not heard of it
10:25 pm
jakawie

anti-anxiety. Not a benzodiazpene (sp?) Milder.
10:26 pm
jakawie

Benzodiazepine.
10:27 pm
hurshy

i have clonazepam. i started it to help me sleep but then it really seemed to help a lot with anxiety in general.
10:27 pm
hurshy

and then i have seratraline (zoloft) for an anti-d.
10:29 pm
jakawie

Yep. I know it well.
10:29 pm
hurshy

i find the clonazepam just perfect. it does just what it is supposed to do and i've never had to increase the dosage.
10:30 pm
jakawie

Perhaps I'll try it. Might help me with flight anxiety. Buspar doesn't do that.
10:30 pm
hurshy

but the zoloft, it does help some, but it started wearing off, and i went to 100 instead of 50, and it's still a little lacking. however, better than lexapro, which practically gave me a panic attack and made me throw up.
10:31 pm
hurshy

but everyone reacts differently to each medication, of course.
10:31 pm
hurshy

yeah i was totally fine the last time i flew, to my sister's wedding in july.
10:31 pm
jakawie

So true. I found that Zoloft increased my anxiety. So now my daily dose includes bupropion (Wellbutrin).
10:32 pm
hurshy

it's so much harder to know, with depression, though. with anxiety, it was like, i know i am not supposed to be constantly terrified that someone is about to break into the house and attack me.
10:33 pm
jakawie

I was INCREDULOUS when I learned that other people didn't live with those fears. I thought it was simply a part of being human! LOL.
10:33 pm
hurshy

with depression, what i have left of it is a generally mild but pervasive sadness, which maybe i just need to make more changes in my life to help with.
10:34 pm
hurshy

oh TOTALLY, me too!!!! i first wanted to go to therapy for depression, had no idea i had an anxiety disorder, for the very same reason.
10:35 pm
hurshy

but after i found out that other people didn't have it, that was another item on my therapy list - and i finally started to go bc i just couldn't take the nightmares anymore.
10:35 pm
jakawie

Change is hard but necessary. Required, in fact, so that we can evolve.
10:36 pm
jakawie

I did some of my best theapeutic work in Jungian dream analysis. Really deep, really challenging. Totally freeing.
10:37 pm
jakawie

Ooohh...lightening storm. So pretty. Probably should take my systems off line. 'Night hursh.
10:37 pm
hurshy

i'm going to bed too. night!
10:39 pm
jakawie

Peaceful dreams!