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## CHAT LOG for Wednesday, August 15, 2007

12:43 am
WHB

Done
12:54 am
abmoraz

done
1:51 am
lawfully

tough, in an interesting way...
1:52 am
augurus

Interesting like Tim Allen or interesting like Paul Giamatti?
2:03 am
lawfully

done... sorry augurus, I've missed the question. Interesting because it has an interesting pattern
2:04 am
augurus

Way to be give the straight forward answer I suppose.
5:32 am
Phil

start
5:45 am
Krys10

just got to the "expert" part of this puzzle - will come back later to look for fancy stuff.
6:08 am
Phil

done
6:17 am
eyeman

really good expert puzzle today. Due for an easy one tomorrow.
6:24 am
sprite

eyeman, does it take x-y chains to solve it?
6:24 am
sprite

eyeman, does it take x-y chains to solve it?
6:25 am
sprite

sorry for the double post, site froze on me
6:30 am
eyeman

froze for me too... Closed, came back again. What's an x-y chain?
6:32 am
eyeman

when I came back, it's incomplete after solving. Rats.
6:38 am
sprite

well... I don't really know, lol, that seems to be my problem with real experts. I have all pairs and triples and quadruples etc now and I can't see where it can be unlocked.
Sorry you lost the solution! I think the server had a hiccup, it is behaving badly all day. Also on babble.
6:39 am
eyeman

Thanks, sprite. Let's hope it behaves. I start by looking at patterns of three numbers horizontally and vertically. Good luck!
6:40 am
sprite

yeah, I have those, I think... thanks, will take another look.
6:41 am
sprite

perhaps that technique isn't even called that. Might be x-y wings or something like that.
6:42 am
eyeman

sounds as good as anything else I've seen out here! lol
6:43 am
sprite

lol! Yeah, well, I am totally self-taught on sudoku, don't know about techniques. I just want to puzzle until it is solved. I am just not getting over the dead point in this one though. As has been the matter with other experts too, sometimes.
6:46 am
bibliomatix

are the rules to this the same as normal sudoku?
6:49 am
peternl

hi all
6:52 am
yul

hello everybody
6:54 am
sprite

yes, this is normal sudoku
6:54 am
sprite

hi peternl and yul
6:55 am
joflow

start, i think not yet at expert level
7:07 am
eyeman

Found the solution finally, sprite. Like doing two experts in one day. Because of the freeze, i should ask for 10 points. lol
7:08 am
sprite

yay eyeman, great! Wish I could look over your shoulder while you were doing it... I just can't seem to get this without guessing, which is NOT solving and I hate it.
7:09 am
eyeman

in babble people give hints, but not here it seems
7:10 am
sprite

it is pretty hard to hint here without spoiling it for the others. This site would be more fun with a whisper possibility!
7:12 am
eyeman

All I dare say is that the number of symphonies Beethoven wrote can be found in a corner square.
7:12 am
sprite

well, now THAT is a beautiful clue! Thanks :D
7:13 am
eyeman

Hope I'm not blackballed for saying that. Have fun everyone. Time to head to work. Send me a Dutch tulip, sprite.
7:14 am
sprite

*hands eyeman a beautiful tulip*
Thanks again and have a good day.
7:14 am
eyeman

U2 :)
7:14 am
yul

14 found starting green
7:15 am
sprite

just restarted again... will count when I start green.
7:17 am
joflow

i found 15, no green, what is green any how
7:18 am
sprite

if you hold shift, you can enter a possible number in green. With control you can enter a red impossible number.
7:19 am
joflow

that did'nt work for me
7:20 am
sprite

oh.... I think I found another route! I have the Beethoven number in an early stage, I think.
7:22 am
sprite

19 found and no greens yet
7:23 am
yul

cool
7:23 am
sprite

joflow, not sure, perhaps it is a pro thing? The greens/reds I mean.
7:23 am
yul

no
7:24 am
bibliomatix

managed to find 22 with no greens, but then got stuck
7:25 am
yul

superb
7:26 am
sprite

good!
7:30 am
sprite

21 found and slipping in a few greens now
7:33 am
joflow

yet in 18
7:34 am
sprite

at least we are still making progress ;)
7:35 am
joflow

my 18 gave me a full column nº7
7:36 am
sprite

yes, I have that one full too. And LOTS of pairs.
7:38 am
joflow

19, i was not looking to one easy
7:39 am
yul

also 19 and stuck
7:39 am
sprite

22 and stuck
7:39 am
dorens

yes it's a tough one sprite (and how are you today?)
7:40 am
sprite

hey dorens! Did you solve it?
My day is terrible, to be honest, I am so stressed I can hardly type. Husband is on the phone with the morgage / insurance / specialists / legal counsel.
7:41 am
dorens

no, i'm stuck too. sorry you're having such trouble... the only thing i can say is that no matter what jams i've been in, they alwasy do get resolved (maybe not to my liking, but we do survive)
7:43 am
sprite

yes, that is a good thought to keep in mind, thanks. We have this saying in Dutch: the food is never eaten as hot as it is served.
7:43 am
ypsigirl

same here 22 and stuck
7:44 am
sprite

hey ypsigirl. Seems the 22 is the dead point today.
7:44 am
bibliomatix

finished!
7:44 am
ypsigirl

Hey chin up, things will work themselves out.
7:44 am
sprite

woooot bibliomatix! How do we get beyond that 22?
7:45 am
sprite

thnx ypsigirl :)
7:45 am
bibliomatix

i had to use the greens
7:46 am
sprite

but the greens only give me pairs, triplets, etc. I cannot see a place where there is only one possibilty :(
7:47 am
dorens

i used the greens, now i'm shamelessly guessing
7:47 am
bibliomatix

maybe i had a different 22 to you?
7:47 am
dorens

and after three guesses, I'm done!
7:47 am
sprite

it is possible, I think, although it would be a coincidence we all get stuck at exact the same number.
7:47 am
ypsigirl

good guessing... I may have to resort
7:47 am
sprite

LOLLLL dorens... yes, that is one way, grin.
7:47 am
bibliomatix

well done dorens!
7:48 am
bibliomatix

i'm off to babble now, bye
7:48 am
dorens

i'm not as clever as y ou..... without the occasional guess, i'd be in big trouble. so, wish i could give hints.. but apparantly this is not like babble
7:48 am
yul

ggggessssing
7:48 am
joflow

yee! bethoven came to me gote number 20
7:48 am
sprite

babble is fun today, enjoy!
7:49 am
dorens

yes, i was there... have 35 or so left but saving it for later... on my way out now for errands. Chin up, sprite!
7:49 am
sprite

no, and I think I am gonna guess too, it is taking too much time now. Bye!
7:49 am
joflow

and 21 yes
7:50 am
joflow

ok, no stoped in 21
7:53 am
sprite

yup, one single guess solved it... unsatisfactory, but done.
7:54 am
sprite

bye all, good luck
7:56 am
joflow

22 no guess yet
8:00 am
yul

i can't see any triples :(
8:02 am
yul

usually I'm good at it. may be I've made a mistake. Starting over
8:02 am
ypsigirl

guessed bad, no luck backtracking, starting over
8:12 am
joflow

i guess we have to guess with this one, yet in 22 and all greens found and no break
8:13 am
joflow

have to go, refuse to guess
8:14 am
yul

joflow,were did you find the last 4 numbers?
8:16 am
yul

i fill terrible that i can't find them
8:21 am
yul

I've got them all along. I am just stopped seeing anything. Well, no need to panic yet :)
8:31 am
joflow

it was something like that that in this 2 holes only this to numbers so in the others...
8:34 am
cojaay

hi everybody its my first sudoku
8:34 am

You picked a good hard one to start. Good luck!
8:39 am
cojaay

thnx iam trying
8:40 am
cojaay

what is the best sudoku ebook
8:40 am

OK, I'm at the 22 filled point. Now it gets interesting.....
8:41 am

cojaay, try brainbashers.com
8:41 am

They do a good job of explaining
8:42 am
cojaay

cool u r so nice thanks
8:42 am
cojaay

cool u r so nice thanks
8:42 am

you're welcome
8:48 am
cseo12

God Damn, I am stucked
8:59 am
cseo12

Failed after 22 filled
9:00 am
raerae7133

I can't even get that far
9:00 am
yul

fin
9:01 am

yul, did you guess?
9:02 am
yul

half guess
9:03 am
yul

lots of excluding forcing chains
9:03 am

ok
9:05 am
raerae7133

How do you go about finding those. looking at each cell one at a time or what?
9:07 am

hax, "Forced chain" is another name for guess or trial-and-error
9:10 am
raerae7133

oh, you people and your fancy words for not having a clue ;)
9:10 am
raerae7133

At least I come out and say it :D
9:10 am

bingo......
9:11 am
yul

not all chains are the same :( i wish they were
9:12 am
BeppyCute

finally!!!!
9:12 am
BeppyCute

with greens and some 2 guesses
9:13 am
BeppyCute

**and 2 guesses
9:15 am
yul

spreadeagle, do you use guessing some times?
9:17 am
hokie carla

well, I definitely do on some, but I call it trial and error
9:18 am
raerae7133

If I have to 'guess' I don't actually place the number. i just try to play the board out in my head as far as I can to see if it's wrong
9:19 am
yul

that it's a proper forcing chain
9:19 am
hokie carla

well, I don't usually have the time or the concentration (w/ 2 little ones around) for that.
9:19 am
raerae7133

:)
9:20 am
yul

I can only do up to 10 steps without marking
9:26 am
raerae7133

all done
9:32 am

yul, yes I guess when I have to. But I don't give up easily.....
9:36 am
hokie carla

finished here, too. goodbye!
9:36 am

Hey, I think I just found an xyz-wing...
9:37 am
raerae7133

nice
9:40 am

That eliminated two 6's (i think) but it doesn't seem to have helped beyond that
9:41 am

Oh yes it did, too...
9:44 am

27 filled now..
9:49 am

Another xyz-wing? Can an xyz-wing be in just one block??
9:55 am

Brainbashers doesn't say, but I don't think so.
9:58 am
Python Taz

r u typing to yourself
10:01 am

Nah, just looking for help
10:02 am
Python Taz

just use ur brain cells that's why you have them
10:02 am
Python Taz

lol
10:07 am

Done, the wings didn't pan out...
10:08 am
Python Taz

what i see is after 22 #'s is a lot of small groupings.
10:13 am

yep, lots of pairs. I thought I found an xyz-wing centered in the middle block, but it caused problems. I had to make a guess. Rats...
10:14 am
Python Taz

done
10:14 am
Python Taz

i deal wit trig i don't need other stupid terms
10:14 am
Python Taz

with
10:15 am

Ah, the memories.......
10:16 am
K.Elisabet

I like doing trig
10:16 am
Python Taz

yes after 19 out of high school i went back to college
10:17 am
Python Taz

for computer networking
10:17 am
K.Elisabet

python, everyone I know in that field loves their job. Good luck with that
10:18 am
Python Taz

thanks, we can destory the world
10:18 am
Python Taz

lmao
10:20 am
K.Elisabet

Hmm, so that's why you chose that field?
10:56 am
ypsigirl

Done........5 points baby!
11:19 am
RodeoRogue

go
11:45 am
RodeoRogue

got to quit. freaking work. oh well
12:00 pm
Dr_God

Hold on to your hats, folks. I'm updating a bunch of software on the server that I've ignored for a while. Start saving your checkpoints early and often!Restarting the server usually takes a while, so when the site goes down, give it 10-15 mins to get back on its feet.
3:24 pm
FranMag

go
3:36 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Go. Not a good day for an Expert.
3:39 pm
FranMag

done
3:54 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Rats, some mistake. I THOGHT it was going too easy for and Expert.
4:06 pm
NatLT

fran, you are amazing
4:06 pm
NatLT

this is mysecond time starting over
4:07 pm
tttmt

I had to start over twice also..3rd time was a charm and went smooth
4:16 pm
NatLT

you're right, third time's a charm
5:24 pm
jawilke

All right, expert... psyched. lets go.
5:28 pm
jawilke

24 from just cross hatching
5:30 pm
jawilke

done .. one naked triple and two xy-chains
5:30 pm
jawilke

not an expert tho
6:43 pm
JimD

Sigh, way too easy for an Expert. There weren't even any chains of possibilities I had to traverse.
6:43 pm
brittlefish.com

go
7:00 pm
brittlefish.com

going pretty good there for a while, then... not so much
7:17 pm
brittlefish.com

gotta take a break
9:37 pm
Andy

oh boy... go
9:43 pm
mamabear

I think it's bark is worse than it's bite, Andy...... at first glance and halfway through greenville
9:43 pm
Andy

so far, so good
9:46 pm
mamabear

I see a WAG in my future
9:46 pm
Andy

WAG?
9:46 pm
mamabear

Wild A\$\$ guess
9:46 pm
Andy

ahhh
9:47 pm
vivi1435

lol
9:47 pm
mamabear

ooooooo wait I see a loner
9:48 pm
mamabear

grinding halt...
9:51 pm
Andy

sleepy... finish tomorrow...
9:55 pm
mamabear

nitey nite
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