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The two people on the phone say the call was normal but the democrats think they get to decide it wasn’t normal. Waste of time and money.

Zelensky didnt think it was normal. A lot of people in the rooms in the US and Oekrain didn't think it was normal. And if a burglar calls burglary normal does that make it normal?

@TM - interesting sophism, but of course completely wrong.

If the burglar and the owner say there was no robbery, then yes, I would agree there was no robbery. Why are we bringing that analogy into an impeachment that has no crime? And do you really think talking about it on here is going to change anybody’s mind? Trump 2020 still!

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If an owner says a burglar is okay, around here we'd call Adult Protective Services to investigate the owner's mental health. But in this case, the president IS the burglar, and the owners are American citizens, as well as Ukrainian citizens, all concerned about their national security and (in the case of American citizens), protection of our electoral system.

MrO, a sophism is "completely wrong" by definition. Am I missing something?

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Pretty easy, but it got slow midway. 12.

TallMike the judiciary in the UK Most of Europe and Australia are impartial. We would find it absurd to have anything but.

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Phil, what makes you so sure that the judiciaries in all those countries are impartial? It would take an immense amount of work to test it, to actually measure the degree of impartiality in each country, but there is no way that all those legal systems would score 100%. (It would be absurd to think otherwise).