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Difficulty: Medium Thursday, April 19, 2007

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CHAT LOG for Thursday, April 19, 2007

12:19 am
h

going green...
12:39 am
h

i thought i had sorted out two x-wings - but now ive screwed up - damn...
12:42 am
WHB

Done
12:43 am
moedog

hmm.. lots of little green numbers...
12:43 am
Python Taz

no duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
12:43 am
Python Taz

lol
12:44 am
moedog

it wouldn't be so bad, if they all weren't trying to talk to me at the same time!
12:48 am
moedog

whups - brb
12:57 am
h

done - but had to guess twice... yuk.
1:27 am
himuran

done
1:48 am
itzie

That's odd. I didn't have to guess, but I was totally expecting to. It wasn't too bad.
2:10 am
Python Taz

hell i screwed the pooch the first time!!!!!!!!!!!! DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
3:28 am
sprite

needed greens, but no guesses
4:24 am
MrOoijer

pff this one was really hard
4:40 am
abstract17fr

easy ...
5:16 am
Phil

start
5:45 am
Phil

Finally!
6:11 am
eyeman

did it - finally. 2 lucky greens
7:06 am
smooth_pappa

go
7:17 am
smooth_pappa

done
7:17 am
smooth_pappa

1 green
8:26 am
yul

my compu network just crushed when I finished placing the last number!!! shall I do it again?
8:27 am
yul

the answer is: don't be ludicrous
9:14 am
drwho

Yul, same thing happened to me. It was not the network, it was the Iron Sudoku server.
9:50 am
tonyfro

start
9:58 am
tonyfro

fin
10:00 am
jen34

doh
10:42 am
UnikeTheHunter

Go.
10:45 am
drwho

Difficulty score 28. Not too bad. A little slow getting started.
10:46 am
UnikeTheHunter

I'll say it's slow. I've found only one by block or line crosshatch so far.
10:47 am
spreadeagle

21 filled. Going green...
10:50 am
hokie carla

alright, I've had to restart 2x now. I hate the mediums. don't mind the experts or hards.
10:50 am
spreadeagle

Greens don't help. Now what?
10:51 am
drwho

Spreadeagle, have you located the 6 in the upper right hand block?
10:51 am
spreadeagle

Yes
10:52 am
UnikeTheHunter

I'm on a roll now. I suppose I'll get stuck after 21 cells.
10:53 am
drwho

Have you got all the 9s filled in?
10:53 am
UnikeTheHunter

All 6's and all 9's.
10:53 am
spreadeagle

All 9s, 7s, 6s
10:54 am
drwho

Look at the 4s.
10:54 am
drwho

Or the 8s.
10:55 am
spreadeagle

OK, just eliminated a couple of 3s
10:55 am
RodeoRogue

go
10:55 am
drwho

It's mostly cross-hatching, but there are a couple of tricky ones.
10:56 am
spreadeagle

I'm rolling now.
10:57 am
K.Elisabet

I've got all the 6, 7 9s - don't see any leads on the 4s or 8s. But I'm down to four possible 2s. I've seen you all talk about "uniqueness rectangles" - is that what I'm seeing? How do you use that?
10:57 am
drwho

No.
10:58 am
drwho

You can probably solve it from here by cross-hatching alone.
10:58 am
UnikeTheHunter

Look at BranBashers.com to learn about unique rectangles. They are neat and occur rather often.
11:00 am
K.Elisabet

Thanks - I was just going to ask where I can learn what these terms mean. I've been ignoring chat because I have no idea what you were talking about most of the time!
11:00 am
spreadeagle

Done. Just had to get rid of a couple of 3s to break it open.
11:01 am
UnikeTheHunter

Mistake. That's BrainBashers.com
11:01 am
UnikeTheHunter

BranBashers are for people with constipation.
11:07 am
drwho

Other links to learn terminology and techniques:
http://www.scanraid.com/sudoku.ht
m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudoku
http://
www.pauls-pc-repair.com/sudoku/sudoku.html
11:08 am
UnikeTheHunter

Darn. I've got only 14 filled and I'm stuck.
11:10 am
RodeoRogue

done. too much green for my liking, but i will take it
11:12 am
UnikeTheHunter

There we go. All 6, 7, 9 done.
11:23 am
UnikeTheHunter

Going green.
11:23 am
drwho

Have you located the 8 in the center block?
11:24 am
UnikeTheHunter

Yes.
11:26 am
UnikeTheHunter

Greens haven't helped at all.
11:27 am
drwho

Have you found the 2 in the center-right block?
11:27 am
UnikeTheHunter

Not yet.
11:28 am
drwho

Look closely, it might jump out at you.
11:29 am
drwho

In fact you should be able to fill in all the 2s.
11:29 am
UnikeTheHunter

Hasn't jumped yet.
11:30 am
K.Elisabet

Ooh, I just used a unique rectangle to eliminate a 3 from the lower right block, showing me where a 3 must be elsewhere which gave me the 2 Dr. Who just mentioned! I feel like a real Sudoku player now. :-)
11:32 am
drwho

K. no need for unique rectangles on any puzzle here except possibly an Expert.
11:33 am
drwho

However, whatever works for you is what's right.
11:33 am
K.Elisabet

Well, maybe I made a mistake earlier. I'll keep going - getting a lot now - and see where it goes. There's likely more than one way to get from point A to point B.
11:37 am
K.Elisabet

Oh, just realized I mistyped earlier - not a unique rectangle, an x-wing. Sorry about that! What I have been calling things in my head doesn't match the standard terminology, and I got confused.
11:38 am
UnikeTheHunter

That helps.
11:39 am
drwho

As with unique rectangles, the X-wing technique is only really needed on some of the Experts here.
11:40 am
drwho

But don't hesitate to use it when you see it!
11:41 am
frogprincess

its the 1s and 5s that are giving me the most trouble
11:42 am
drwho

The 1s and 5s are the last to fall.
11:43 am
UnikeTheHunter

Oh, stupid me. I missed a pair.
11:45 am
UnikeTheHunter

Things pumping now.
11:45 am
drwho

Based on analysis of a majority of the puzzles published here, I am fairly certain pairs are only required on some Hard and Expert puzzles.
11:47 am
UnikeTheHunter

Done. Really? I just couldn't find another crosshatch or intersection. But the pair opened it up.
11:48 am
drwho

Well don't ignore it just because it might not be required. Use whatever you can see.
11:49 am
drwho

I am fairly certain that Easy means the puzzle can be solved by cross-hatching and maybe a missing digit scan or 2.
11:50 am
drwho

Medium means that you will need to use region intersection analysis, or virtual cross-hatching.
11:51 am
drwho

Hard means you will need to use naked or hidden pairs, triples or quads.
11:51 am
drwho

Expert means that more advanced techniques are required.
11:52 am
drwho

I am not sure if Experts are restricted to any particular set of advanced techniques.
12:22 pm
brianarn

I seem to be missing some of those medium techniques or something then, because the mediums are always where I struggle, whereas I tend to zip through easy/hard/expert :D
12:26 pm
Marzipan

Yeah, same here.
12:29 pm
drwho

What I call region intersection analysis can also be called virtual cross-hatching. I have illustrations of it at:
http://www.pauls-pc-repair.com/sudoku/sud
oku.html#techniques
12:29 pm
indoovibly

i dont know what all these techniques are. i just look at it a lot!
12:30 pm
drwho

Unfortunately, I haven't mastered web design yet, and the site works best with IE, not so good with Firefox.
1:19 pm
brianarn

I hate when I'm trying a technique and mess up, because half the time I'm trying it by eventually setting a square with two possible choices to one value, and since it failed, it basically gives me the other value
1:19 pm
brianarn

Discovery by failure annoys me, because I feel like I haven't validly found the answer
1:28 pm
brianarn

That x-wing mentioned relating to the lower right block was what opened it up for me. :)
2:48 pm
Minski

Done. used greeenies. one bad guess. returned to checkpoint for correct guess and all fell into place.
3:11 pm
bunnyvicious

go
3:38 pm
kebek

no green, but not super fast.
3:38 pm
bunnyvicious

Done, I hate mediums, that one was a pain.
3:42 pm
grama

Me too
3:43 pm
grama

I meant me too as in I hate mediums. Not me too as in done
4:26 pm
tsianami

done
4:34 pm
shortshrimp

hey everybody im new can someone tell me the very middle number
4:37 pm
shortshrimp

??????
4:54 pm
Moozey

people won't give that sort of information because it would spoil it for everyone else
4:54 pm
Moozey

sorry
4:59 pm
dorens

Finally! don't know why it took me so long....
5:11 pm
brianarn

Actually, on occasion people have been known to hand out a number to someone who is asking -- but it's not common, and generally you get better replies without the line saying just "??????" because that's not exactly friendly Internet banter. :)
5:12 pm
brianarn

That being said, I'm in the archives and can't quickly look at the front to share a number. :)
5:28 pm
Zugzug7

go
5:32 pm
RodeoRogue

woohoo!! Finally upgraded to pro. Starting on archinves.
5:32 pm
Zugzug7

nice. I'm still thinking about it. I'm sure I will one day just not today.
5:32 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Your sure didn't write much in your profile, Rodeo.
5:33 pm
RodeoRogue

took me a long while to decide, but I finally had to.
5:33 pm
RodeoRogue

Unlike, I was in such a hurry to do another puzzle I did not do anything with my profile besides add a pic
5:33 pm
UnikeTheHunter

I sprung for the upgrade on my birthday.
5:34 pm
RodeoRogue

nice gift to yourself. i am getting a nice refund from the IRS so I figured I could splurge on this
5:39 pm
RodeoRogue

off to fix profile. 1st archive done. I LOVE this game!
5:39 pm
brianarn

It's been well worth it. I'm so glad I upgraded. Very happy. :D
5:41 pm
Zugzug7

hmmmm. stuck. Work was a pain at the moment. now I'm stuck in two places.
5:42 pm
Zugzug7

ah. a 3!
5:44 pm
Zugzug7

done
5:48 pm
UnikeTheHunter

I just did the "easy" of January 18, no greens. Feeling good.
5:48 pm
brianarn

I'm on November 8th 2006's expert, and very slowly eliminating greens with some techniques, but it's slow, slow pickins
5:50 pm
UnikeTheHunter

I need practice spotting loners and line crosshatches. So the easies, no green, are good for me.
5:51 pm
brianarn

I love when I get one with no greens - it's a good feeling. :D
5:57 pm
RodeoRogue

I love the no green feeling. Feels exactly like the desert I live in.
7:19 pm
helenkeller

go
7:50 pm
helenkeller

and done
7:50 pm
helenkeller

okay, okay, so i got caught up in 'survivor' there for a while in the middle :)