I think jackt and Diane, you've highlighted the biggest problem, both candidates were very flawed yet the parties put them up as their best. Shows how far out of touch with reality of the majority of the party members are. It also highlights how divisive the campaign was.
Phil, yes Clinton is flawed, unfortunately her flaws are wildly exaggerated by the propaganda machine that jackt is parroting. Let's see if Rudy, and Kris Kristy really "Lock Her Up" because if they do it will be the very first time any of the garbage they spew about Democrats will have actually proven to be true.
There is on silver lining for me with the election of Trump. The odds that I will be driving to work in the snow have decreased now that we have elected a Climate Science denier as POTUS.
And we have elected a VPOTUS who believes in Pray Away The Gay and that you should subject a doctor to "offer parents" the "remains" of a terminated pregnancy.
The problem with saying they are "both flawed" is that it sets up a false equivalency. Trump has said there should be "punishment" for a woman who terminates a pregnancy. He has also said Climate Science is a hoax. Pence has put forth bills to move AIDS/HIV money to Conversion therapy. These are facts. Clinton's "flaws" are accusations. Never proven in a court of law or after countless millions spent on investigations.
Yes jackt and drWho Hillary lost, but have you noticed that not only is Trumps win historical for him being only the 2nd candidate in 40 years not to divulge his tax returns but he is the 5th candidate to win the Presidency without winning the Popular vote.
Lets pray to God that he doesn't do anything more historic. Like matching the "achievements" of the last Republican POTUS elected by many of the same electorate.
Tuco, agreed. I'm so tired of the rumors and innuendos, all unproven and exaggerated, about the Clintons. Any candidate who had had the millions thrown against them investigating their bathroom habits would look like Satan.
My favorite post-election meme: First time in history that the KGB, the FBI, and the KKK cooperated to elect a president.
Unfortunately Hillary spent to much time pointing out Trump's faults. It just reminded people that she had "faults" of her own. She should have been more "Chicken in every pot" instead of "He is unfit and unhinged" Most people in this country are "unfit and unhinged" and they just wanted to hear "make America Great Again!"
Amerika uber alles! Strong and wrong always trumps weak and right.
Even that stupid slogan "Love Trumps Hate" was a mistake. As I have heard elsewhere and can't remember the source... Love Trumps Hate just reminds people to Love Trump.
The people who voted for Trump live in denial. They believe a Republican POTUS, house and senate will act any differently than they always do. Destroy the economy and enrich the rich. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..........
My mother who is 89 and received a bovine heart valve implant at 87 for a condition she had since she was a child will not accept and gets very angry when it is pointed out to her that if it were not for Obama care her insurance would never have paid for that procedure.
She literally owes her life to the ACA but can not accept that because of all the bullshit she is exposed to on RWRadio and Fox News.
So when Marco Rubio strips out government funding to pay for premium increases and keep the insurance companies whole so they can keep covering people under the ACA. People like my mother believe the bullshit that Obama care has failed. It hasn't failed it is being sabotaged.
OMG...denial? "...rumors and innuendos, all unproven and exaggerated, about the Clintons..." and you believe the "American Way" is for two people who never earned more than $225,000 per year in "PUBLIC SERVICE" who are now worth $150,000,000 and have manipulated a charity worth billions is "how America works"...GTFO. THAT is why and the underlying reason folks who get their azz out of bed everyday and go to work and pay their taxes and register their guns said, in a collective voice "NO MAS"...or in ClintonEntitled Lingo " F U "...does makes sense?
Yeah, it's all the FBI's fault. Let's just pretend Benghazi, private server with over a hundred classified (at the time!) emails, deleting emails AFTER a subpoena, a history full of corruption, etc., never happened. Sure Donald Trump is scum, but 'look he's a racist!' with little evidence other than racists like him won't get you far.
Hey Tuco, at your mother's age she should be on Medicare and not Obamacare. If you are going to spout bullshit, try to get it right!
HRC has never contributed ONE MEASUREABLE BENEFIT to America which ANYONE can name in ALL HER YEARS of (cough, cough) PUBLIC SERVICE...Period. End of Story.
DENIAL? is to believe she has AND simultaneously being UNABLE TO PROVE she has.
Perhaps nominate a candidate who doesn't have a reason to be in the middle of at least two FBI investigations. That'd be a good start. And I'm no Trump fan, like I said, that's the downside of Hillary losing. Someone had to lose, glad it was the one that had and FBI director explain all of her crimes in a press conference. Sorry if you're too daft to realize it's a crime. Better question is if the FBI was against her, why didn't they charge her after telling us how she broke the law repeatedly by housing classified emails on her server? Doesn't seem like they were out to get her.
Tuco, so the FACTS are Dems had more registered voters than the Pubs and on Tues, the day of ACTION, they undershowed at the polls and the Pubs showed up in mass...and the results came out on Tues night...so the Dems PROTEST ON WEDNESDAY...about the RESULT... REALLY!! I could not imagine a more fitting script to highlight the entitled and off-track (mentally) those folks are than the FACTS of the past two days... pretty funny! ??? No ??? I think so.
Is no one concerned that Trump will have the nuclear codes?
Hey folks, the election is over. Learn to live with it.
At least we all live in democracies where it's ultimately the people that decide. We do need to learn to live with each other and not get so angry. Yes the world is scared that someone so unpredictable has so much power. However I think Trump will change the way he operates. He's clever enough to now how to win an election through spouting garbage. He may yet prove to go against all that when he's dealing with world leaders. In many ways he's like Putin, volatile and unpredictable. Personally I'd be surprised if it doesn't all end in tears. Just hope the world doesn't suffer too badly as a result.
Phil, in America we live in a republic rather than a democracy. We choose our president by having each state's electoral college representatives vote for the will of the people in their state. In a true democracy, the president would be whoever wins the most votes nationwide, with no regard to which state a voter lives in. The total vote count is not yet completed, we are told, but it looks as though Hillary will be the winner of the popular vote. And that will generate a huge controversy which may ultimately result in the USA finally deciding to become a true democracy. We can only hope....
The average person knows next to naught about nuclear weapons, or how dangerous & prolific they are. What we consider small nukes today are exponentially 20 times more powerful than “Little Boy” dropped on Hiroshima. They are hydrogen bombs, which in essence are hydrogen jacketed two stage atomic bombs. Obama just shipped 50 nukes into our base in Turkey in March. Erdogen shut the electricity and outside utilities off and refused to allow takeoffs & landings. After he relented, our military immediately moved them over to Romania on the border with Ukraine, a blatant act of war threatening Russia. The world is about to learn the meaning of nuclear war up close. Hillary supports the neocon plan for nuclear war. Trump was the only one running who can stop it, but it already may be too late.
Russia’s newest series of ICBMs have unlimited range. The good news, the Electoral College showed us Obama’s support comes from the big cities. The progressives will be the first to go. Once they are taken out the hundreds of thousands of Muslims we just imported who still believe in Sharia law will turn on us. That’s the plan. It’s already happening in Germany, London, Paris and Scandinavia. Diane, you go girl. Literally.
Amyz she is in a medicare advantage plan that could have denied her receiving the implant due to pre-existing condition before the ACA
1hammer the evidence that Trump is racist comes from his statements about Mexicans and an American of Latino descent Judge. Plus his having to pay fines for housing discrimination based on race. Not because he was endorsed by the KKK. I don't care if he is a racist. Most Americans are.
Consider the little known fact that the Revolutionary War was not fought entirely over "No taxation without representation" but also because the Brits had a law in 1772 that stated that no one born under the King's rule could be held in slavery.
Phil this is something the U.S. has in common with your homeland. Racism
so 1hammer and the rest of my dear right wing friends. It is now up to you. MAKE AMERICA GREAT. NOW!
Are we there yet? Is America Great again?
OMG America is Great again! HooRah!!
Let's see, Last time the Republicans controlled the White house and Congress America plunged the whole world into a depression. I am sure confident they will not repeat that behavior. They have learned their lesson.
I truly believe this because Obama wasn't born here and Hillary Clinton is a fool. I also believe that Trickle Down economics work and the Earth is only 6000 years old and Climate Science is a hoax.
I also believe that all the manufacturing jobs brought back here will not be done by robots or people at a non-union low wage.
I also believe that if you are rich you must be favored by God (early Calvinism) and therefore should be treated as such.
Unless you are a Democrat. And then if anyone wants to pay you exorbitant speaking fees there must be something nefarious. But if you are a Right Wing failed governor of a non contiguous state you are entitled to large speaking fees and a reality TV show.
tuco, please let us know when your carpet bombing is over and we can return to civilized discourse.
Perhaps you would like to expound on Obama's proposal from long ago that we view the map of the country not as red states and blue states but as the United States. We might all be able to join you in harmony with that.
I would do that TallMike if it wasn't for Mitch McConnell immediatly after Obama was elected saying our job is to make him a 1 term president and then lead the obstruction for almost 8 years. Obama saw it that way. Unfortunately the Republicans live off divide and conquer. But I will defer to you TallMike. I have said enough.
EZPZ, but a little slow. 14.
Thanks Tuco - The less you say, the greater the country becomes.