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Difficulty: Medium Tuesday, February 20, 2007

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CHAT LOG for Tuesday, February 20, 2007

12:11 am
TeaNCrackers

done
3:23 am
h

go
3:30 am
h

going autofill-green...
3:45 am
h

14 filled, using reds - tired and not seeing anything...
3:58 am
h

done.
6:58 am
spreadeagle

13 filled without greens. Stuck.
7:10 am
spreadeagle

Going green.
7:11 am
chebuctonian

hehe... I just made the exact same decision, at the same point :)
7:11 am
Moozey

10 filled and feel like I may need to go greenie
7:11 am
Moozey

sorry 11
7:12 am
smooth_pappa

go!
7:13 am
spreadeagle

AHA! I knew it had to be in the 9's.
7:17 am
smooth_pappa

egads!
7:17 am
spreadeagle

And done.
7:22 am
Moozey

yep and another one bites the dust
7:22 am
smooth_pappa

And done over here as well
7:35 am
eyeman

done here too. This is one of those hard mediums.
8:45 am
drwho

Difficulty score 25. A couple of hidden pairs opened it up for me, but the computer didn't need anything that advanced.
8:46 am
Python Taz

me eye still aren't burnt out lol
8:47 am
Python Taz

eyes
10:02 am
sandbox74

done... no greens... took a little bit longer than a regular medium.. but still easy to tackle
10:35 am
UnikeTheHunter

Go.
10:44 am
TurkishPeanuts

Hello
11:47 am
UnikeTheHunter

Dogone it. Im stuck. I may have to guess.
12:05 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Done, but I had to guess.
12:12 pm
derfasaurus

done, but used green
1:36 pm
Doni

oh wow...I think I finally figured out the hidden triple. It only took 1 to open it up for me!
1:38 pm
derfasaurus

im totally stuck on last tuesdays as well
1:38 pm
derfasaurus

ive been looking for a trip or a quad for some time now
1:40 pm
derfasaurus

i dont want to have to guess
1:48 pm
Linda

done with a couple of guesses on the way
2:02 pm
Minski

Done!
2:36 pm
helenkeller

go
2:39 pm
torgone

Piece of pie ..
2:39 pm
skizzybiz

what kind of pie?
2:40 pm
torgone

I don't care ...I like pie ..
2:40 pm
hurshy

peach
2:40 pm
skizzybiz

good choice!
2:41 pm
torgone

Heya Peach Pie!
2:41 pm
redshoes

GONE!
2:41 pm
hurshy

hi...
2:41 pm
torgone

SHOES!
2:42 pm
hurshy

so tor, i'm going out THIS FRIDAY and saturday to get things underway... i have 2 job agency appointments friday and going to look at 2 apartments saturday... am very nervous
2:42 pm
skizzybiz

an excitable crowd
2:43 pm
torgone

Wow . .Good luck with all of that . .
2:43 pm
hurshy

thanks...
2:44 pm
torgone

You have some tough times and hard work ahead of you, but I know you're up to it ..
2:44 pm
redshoes

tor, i need you to share some of the pie today. I am brain-dead!
2:45 pm
hurshy

it helps to have people say things like that :)
2:45 pm
skizzybiz

yeah, i'm having more trouble with this than i usually do on a medium
2:45 pm
Wolfrick

Hurshy, The other day you said something about not needing to break Hurshy's #1 Rule of Sudoku....
2:46 pm
Wolfrick

What is Hurshy's #1 Rule of Sudoku?
2:46 pm
hurshy

sudoku must only be done on a clear head
2:46 pm
redshoes

"You don't talk about Sudoku."
2:46 pm
redshoes

;-)
2:47 pm
redshoes

*shakes clutter out of head*
2:47 pm
skizzybiz

i find that i play sudoku best when i'm groggy or i've had a couple drinks
2:47 pm
redshoes

dang, it's all stuck. boooo.
2:47 pm
skizzybiz

or maybe it's just the most fun then :)
2:47 pm
redshoes

I definitely have too much on my mind right now. blech. *stuff rattles in head*
2:48 pm
torgone

Today's shook out fairly easily for me once applied the greenies .. Nothing more than pairs (all I know) were necessary . .
2:48 pm
redshoes

I just have superfluous stuff jamming up the works. That's all Tor.
2:49 pm
torgone

Free your mind, and sudoku will follow . .
2:49 pm
skizzybiz

i only pull out the greens for experts -- i haven't figured out how to do those forcing chains in my head
2:49 pm
redshoes

heh. heh. be color-blind... oh wait, that doesn't help with using greens...
2:50 pm
hurshy

alright, gotta focus.
2:50 pm
torgone

Sometimes the greenies make it harder to see something I should have seen before . .
2:51 pm
redshoes

tis true.
2:51 pm
hurshy

so hard to focus when you're having basically your first real job interviews EVER in 3 days...
2:52 pm
hurshy

at least it's only job agencies. they figure out what's good about you so they can make you sound good to actual employers, i suppose.
2:52 pm
redshoes

hursh, just be the confident little go-getter we know you are.
2:52 pm
redshoes

but don't correct their spelling unless they want you to. ;^)
2:52 pm
hurshy

i shall try. i've never been one before, it's a new thing for me.
2:53 pm
redshoes

don't look at your watch or up into your head for answers
2:53 pm
hurshy

luckily when you're talking you can't tell if a word is spelled wrong
2:53 pm
torgone

Just be confident, comfortable, and natural .. Be yourself ..
2:53 pm
hurshy

i'm pretty good with eye contact. at least my 10th grade chem teacher thought so
2:53 pm
hurshy

the trouble is, tor, myself is kinda shy...
2:53 pm
hurshy

not on the internet, obviously...
2:54 pm
hurshy

i must channel my babble self.
2:54 pm
torgone

:)
2:54 pm
Leigh

Some people picture their interviewers in their underwear. You should picture them in a chat log.
2:55 pm
hurshy

sometimes i think "gee, i'm a pretty good candidate for the type of job i want" and other times i think "ack, i'm a big loser and nobody will like me"
2:55 pm
redshoes

see, the thing is, though, hurshy... we're all big losers. that's why we like each other
2:55 pm
redshoes

I mean, the human race in general. O=)
2:56 pm
torgone

Put the negative voice away .. You don't them to like you; you want them to hire you ..
2:56 pm
hurshy

phew, i thought you meant sudoku/babble players
2:56 pm
hurshy

but people don't hire people they don't like! lol
2:56 pm
torgone

*want them to like you
2:56 pm
redshoes

hehehehe. nah. we're actually the coolest ones. =)
2:57 pm
hurshy

i must be stressed - i'm breaking out a bit... ick...
2:57 pm
hurshy

THAT's not good for interviews
2:57 pm
spreadeagle

I used to conduct interviews. Ten tips: 1. Dress nice, but not too nice. 2. Don't dress sexy. 3. Minimal perfume. 4. No chewing gum. 5. No cell phone. 6. Be on time. 7. Be honest and open about you past experience and goals. 8. HAVE goals. 9. Neat resume and/or transcripts. 10. Ask questions that show you are interested.
2:58 pm
redshoes

oh yeah... definitely research the company prior to interviews
2:58 pm
pabtrek

and don't forget what you can bring to their company
2:58 pm
torgone

Don't be stressed - just remember everything will be allright BECAUSE I SAID SO ..
2:59 pm
redshoes

yes, and above all else, remember Tor Said So.
2:59 pm
hurshy

pinstriped suit and blouse, suit skirt is knee length, i don't wear perfume or chew gum, i don't have a cell phone, i will DEFINITELY make sure to be early, i will be honest, i do have a pretty good idea what i want, my resume is neat, and i will research the company and ask questions (only, these 2 are job agencies, so i don't have to do that, they aren't looking to hire me themselves).
2:59 pm
pabtrek

yes Tor Said So. everybody repeat. Tor Said So. LOL
2:59 pm
spreadeagle

You're hired!
3:00 pm
redshoes

whadda know? all this interview talk unclogged me. all done. yeah!
3:00 pm
hurshy

eagle, can you help me with one thing? is it ok to be honest about things like that i want fast-paced and plenty to do but not high PRESSURE - if that even makes sense. like i want to work for people, if possible, who are... nice.
3:00 pm
Atalante

people honestly chew gum during interviews? they really do that?
3:00 pm
redshoes

good job hurshy.
3:02 pm
hurshy

and is it ok to be honest about the fact that i'm not all about "career" - that i want to do good productive work for them, but i am the sort of person who is not career-driven and wants balance between a job and the rest of life?
3:02 pm
spreadeagle

You can say it, but it won't matter to a job service.
3:03 pm
hurshy

but i mean, when i get to the actual companies for interviews stage, should i say these things or not? i am looking to be a 9-5 admin person, so i think it's pretty obvious that most people who do that are not exactly "passionate" about their job, so maybe i don't need to say it anyway.
3:03 pm
spreadeagle

Yes. Chewing gum, candy bars, even a sandwich once. One "lady" even brought her newborn.
3:03 pm
Atalante

wow. in awe of the stupidity.
3:04 pm
hurshy

and how do i sound confident and get across that i'm very smart and can do most anything without sounding arrogant?
3:04 pm
helenkeller

no hurshy - big mistake - don't be like that - there actually are people who take great pride in being high-powered admin assts - it is not an easy job & the company does much better when the admins are motivated & like their jobs
3:04 pm
CubsChick

get 'em hursh (mr. smeltz)
3:05 pm
hurshy

i will be motivated and like my job. i just don't want them to expect me to work a lot of overtime or something.
3:05 pm
hurshy

i want to go home at the end of the workday, that's all.
3:05 pm
spreadeagle

Sure, say it. Maybe the interviewer will tell you to find another place because your boss would not be what you are looking for. And I agree with h-k
3:05 pm
helenkeller

never, ever belittle any job (you can do it all you want in your head, but never out loud)
3:05 pm
hurshy

yes. i don't mean to belittle it
3:05 pm
Atalante

but there's a difference between being motivated and not wanting to work till midnight every night because thats the company culture
3:06 pm
hurshy

exactly - company culture - have heard so many horror stories of friends where it's just normal and expected that you stay late all the time like that.
3:06 pm
hurshy

but most of the ads i'm replying to say normal business hours, so it should be ok.
3:07 pm
hurshy

i mean, i gotta have time to babble...
3:07 pm
torgone

Remember too that you'll be working through an agency. If the job is not as advertised, you can walk ..
3:07 pm
helenkeller

what i'm saying is don't set limits early - give yourself a chance to check out all the places they will offer you - you never know, you might find that you really, really like a certain place -it might have great people, great benefits & be the kind of place you want to stay
3:08 pm
hurshy

well tor, i'm doing both, i'm working with agencies but also sending out resumes myself to things that are posted on the web.
3:08 pm
helenkeller

tor is right - the decision is up to you, just keep all your options open
3:08 pm
hurshy

yes, helen, i def want to cast a wide net.
3:10 pm
hurshy

the good thing is that so far i feel nervous but not utterly terrified. i hope it stays that way. :)
3:10 pm
hurshy

ok, so about the question of how to say that you'll be really good at a job without sounding really full of yourself... advice?
3:10 pm
Atalante

and just be yourself, you'll either be what the company want, or you won't. and there's no put putting on a face to get ajob then hate it afterwards
3:11 pm
helenkeller

done
3:11 pm
hurshy

yes, this is true. only, i do need a job, lol.
3:11 pm
spreadeagle

Just tell your interviewer about IronSudoku. Have him/her log in and we'll put in a good word for you.
3:11 pm
helenkeller

lol spread
3:11 pm
hurshy

yeah, i wish i could just have you guys and babble be one of my references...lol
3:11 pm
patgas

if you don't have any experience with that kind of job, just point out ways that you're a fast learner, especially with computers
3:12 pm
hurshy

yes, i'm very fast at learning anything. meep meep.
3:12 pm
torgone

Ask some questions; That will show you want to learn ..
3:13 pm
Atalante

and say that you *want* to learn whatever they need, that you'd happily do an evening class or whatever to get up to speed
3:13 pm
hurshy

it seems like one of those tests police give people to see if they are drunk... you have to walk the line very carefully...
3:14 pm
Atalante

and buy an idiot's guide to interviews book, one with all the questions you're likely to get asked. they give you a lot of information and examples of how to answer things
3:15 pm
hurshy

ah, good point. i'll pick one up tomorrow.
3:15 pm
Atalante

flick through them first though, some are much better than others
3:15 pm
helenkeller

bye everyone
3:15 pm
hurshy

see, everyone else got all this advice from the career counseling office in college... i wasn't ready then...
3:15 pm
hurshy

bye helen, thanks for chipping in your two cents
3:16 pm
Atalante

I've been in sooo many interviews and read loads and my conclusions are. Be yourself. Tell the truth. Show willingness to learn anything and everything they want. Smile.
3:16 pm
hurshy

i think i can do that.
3:17 pm
hurshy

and i've been using pre-brush whitening rinse, and my teeth are starting to look a little whiter.
3:17 pm
spreadeagle

Yes, smile. Be happy. Be polite.
3:17 pm
torgone

Most HR people are completely clueless (present company excepted) - they'll be running a checklist, or seeing how well you match your resume. Your best chance will be when you're yalking to the person who will actually supervise you.
3:17 pm
hurshy

i'm very polite.
3:18 pm
hurshy

the only thing that worries me is my mind possibly going blank because i'm nervous.
3:19 pm
Atalante

and dont be afraid to say how brilliant you are at something, just make sure you can back it up with an example. ie. Q: how good are you are organising? A: absolutely brilliant! For example, in my last job I did XYZ and got tonnes of compliments
3:19 pm
hurshy

yes, is hard for me to think of good examples.
3:19 pm
Atalante

and have a copy of your resume with you. so when you go blank, you can discreetly look at it and remember!
3:20 pm
Atalante

well start thinking, then you can haul them out without much thought all the interviews. they dont have to be work examples, home / clubs / schools whatever should work
3:20 pm
hurshy

have a copy with me... hmmm what do i bring it in? a folder? something more substantial?
3:20 pm
Atalante

have a folder or something with you. Resume, pad of paper and a pen so you can write down any info they give you
3:21 pm
hurshy

but doesn't it sound lame if i'm like, well, i sometimes do the scorebook at the basketball game, and the coach loves how thoroughly i do it...
3:21 pm
spreadeagle

It's ok to be nervous. It's ok to tell them it's your first real interview; they may go easy on you. It would be good to give them a reason to remember you; they may be interviewing a lot of people and won't make a decision until later.
3:22 pm
torgone

If you present that kind of information a supplementary, it's okay . .
3:22 pm
Atalante

not if you really do do it well, and you can show how much better you did it than your predecessor or something. poke around and think of a few things, we can tweak them at some point!
3:22 pm
hurshy

but the trouble is, i haven't had a full time job in 7 years!
3:22 pm
torgone

That's okay!
3:22 pm
Atalante

you've had part time jobs though
3:23 pm
hurshy

i think it helps that i'm interviewing with agencies first. get my feet wet with them before it's really the real thing.
3:23 pm
spreadeagle

Make sure you had a good reason for leaving your last job(s)
3:23 pm
hurshy

my reason for leaving is that i'm separating from my husband...
3:24 pm
hurshy

basically they need to kind of look at me as a recent grad with a couple of years experience and semi-ignore the past 7 years of my life.
3:25 pm
spreadeagle

That jerk! He doesn't deserve you! (just kidding, I think)
3:25 pm
hurshy

oh, he deserves MUCH better than me... sigh.
3:26 pm
torgone

They don't need to know too much about your personal life, and legally they can't ask. Just say you want/need/are able towork full time now ..
3:26 pm
Atalante

"I worked at the same school as my husband, but as we are now separated, I decided to leave and apply for the sort of job I've always wanted"
3:26 pm
hurshy

well it's not what i've always wanted, i only just realized i wanted it. i've had a hard time figuring myself out...
3:27 pm
Atalante

yes, you *have* always wanted to do admin, dear :P
3:27 pm
Atalante

haven't you LOL
3:28 pm
hurshy

uh, ok, sure.
3:28 pm
hurshy

so i should pretend i have, is what you are saying
3:29 pm
torgone

At least say it ..
3:29 pm
spreadeagle

Even tho they can't legally ask things like age, interviewers don't want to feel like you're hiding anything. Unless you really don't want them to know something, tell them.
3:29 pm
Atalante

no lol but if you can find a way of saying you've always been interested in admin work rather than just saying oh yeah i'm separated, shit, what can I do? I know! admin!
3:30 pm
hurshy

ok.
3:30 pm
hurshy

i gots to go now. thanks all for all the advice. i'll do my best
3:30 pm
spreadeagle

Keep us posted.
3:30 pm
Atalante

or you've always enjoyed organisational stuff / logiscal stuff so admin seems the best fit
3:31 pm
hurshy

yes that's good ata
3:32 pm
hurshy

bye :)
3:32 pm
Fizzbut

go
3:32 pm
torgone

bye
3:33 pm
spreadeagle

December 1 'expert" is kicking my fanny...........
3:45 pm
Fizzbut

done
7:21 pm
evanonut

i like that big guy