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Difficulty: Expert Friday, December 1, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Friday, December 1, 2006

12:03 am
Krys10

excellent, an expert.
12:18 am
lawfully

at last...
12:19 am
skizzybiz

i've got 8 easy numbers so far. this one is going to be tricky
12:21 am
skizzybiz

nevermind, still making steady progress
12:31 am
skizzybiz

well, that was an easy 5 points. no guesses.
12:32 am
skizzybiz

and no forcing chains, or whatever those are called
12:33 am
lawfully

16 numbers so far, easy ones
12:36 am
skizzybiz

must be tougher without greens. i saw that Expert ranking and just started filling them in
12:46 am
lawfully

21 and stuck
12:54 am
WHB

Done
12:57 am
lawfully

done... not so bad
1:01 am
jwjjjcjh

done
1:10 am
kebek

easy expert?
1:15 am
Grendel

woo, that wasnt too hard
1:16 am
itzie

And here I was feeling proud that I was doing pretty well.
1:16 am
itzie

That explains it.
1:16 am
mab

hmm. wonder what drwho's rating will be
1:17 am
kebek

has anybody finished without green?
1:20 am
Grendel

but the christmas lights are there for a reason!
1:20 am
Grendel

XD
1:20 am
kebek

haha, i know, but i like to try first without :)
1:20 am
Grendel

well it gets hard to track things like X-Y patterns without them
1:21 am
kebek

yep.
1:21 am
Grendel

and this one had two xy groups
1:21 am
kebek

i haven't gotten that far yet :)
1:22 am
Grendel

other than that it was simple exclusions and exposed / hidden singles
1:22 am
itzie

I don't even know what that means.
1:24 am
Grendel

i don't have the link to the site that had all the terms and solving techniques, i'm sure someone else, especially drwho, would have it though.
1:24 am
Edonia

Done Goodnight folks.....
1:24 am
mab

if i knew what xy patterns were (and I will look them up) i'd be more concerned about marking, but generally I prefer minimal jumbling of tiny numbers. often it's easier without all the marking i think.
1:24 am
Grendel

heh
1:25 am
mab

i think it's scanraid.com, isn't it?
1:25 am
Grendel

maybe
1:25 am
Grendel

i got to go
1:25 am
Grendel

l8r everyone
1:26 am
mab

bye grendel :)
1:28 am
kebek

http://www.scanraid.com/AdvanStrategies.htm
1:29 am
mab

ta kebek
1:34 am
frogtaco

kebek, thanks for asking about "green"! That prompted me to mess around and figure out you could make notations by holding down shift. I never knew that.
1:34 am
kebek

:) you're welcome! they definitely come in handy sometimes.
1:34 am
itzie

I used to just do it with pencil and paper before I knew about that feature
1:35 am
frogtaco

I mostly play on the Seattle Times Web site, and usually avoid using notations. Sometimes they help out, but other times I get annoyed at the clutter.
1:36 am
itzie

Are you in Seattle?
1:36 am
frogtaco

Yep. Lake Forest Park.
1:36 am
itzie

Ballard. :)
1:37 am
frogtaco

Did you get much snow?
1:37 am
itzie

Yeah. Several inches. The sidewalks and side streets were awful.
1:37 am
kebek

it's snowing there?
1:38 am
kebek

my sister lives in seattle
1:38 am
itzie

It snowed yesterday and also on Monday night. The snow on monday was very wet and got compacted by cars etc. and was basically a sheet of ice on the streets.
1:38 am
frogtaco

We're at the top of a hill at about 470 feet, so we were snowed in for a couple days. (It's melting now, kebek, but we had a bunch of snow earlier in the week, followed by sub-freezing temps.)
1:39 am
itzie

It doesn't usually stay cold enough for snow to stick around, but it was freezing the last few days.
1:39 am
kebek

wow, ok. it doesn't usually snow much up there, does it?
1:39 am
frogtaco

Once every year or two, and then it melts the next day. Until this year.
1:40 am
kebek

k :)
1:41 am
itzie

Woo hoo! I finished. But I only found one little xy chain thingy (I think that's what it is called)
1:43 am
frogtaco

Congrats, itzie. I don't know any of the fancy terminology thingies.
4:27 am
h

1 guess forced (wrong) forced everything to work out for me - needed to fill in lots of greens tho...
5:34 am
peternl

hi all
6:29 am
yul

hello
7:08 am
eyeman

I guess I'm lucky. One lucky green guess, and it was smooth sailing till the end.
7:09 am
eyeman

Happy December, everyone. Next month at this time it will be 2007.
7:09 am
stokesy

happy days
7:10 am
eyeman

whoopie
7:10 am
eyeman

now off to work. :(
7:10 am
stokesy

bye
7:10 am
stokesy

enjoy ;)
7:13 am
yul

found an only 6!
7:38 am
yul

and finished after first chain. Have a nice day, month,year :)
7:58 am
hokie carla

wow, easiest 5 pts. ever
8:51 am
allyelf

Easy. No reds, greens, checkpoints, or guesses.
10:52 am
zemoxian

I concur--breezy! :-D
10:53 am
zemoxian

Now, back to Oct 13, a "medium" that I've been staring at for 3 days...
11:55 am
zemoxian

Ahhh.... October is complete. Now I have just a few to catch up in November....
12:55 pm
drwho

Difficulty score 45. I filled in about 21 numbers without green or red. Then a few more with the green and got stuck. So I made 1 guess and everything fell into place.
1:24 pm
hurshy

easiest 5 points ever, says hokie. once i was sitting on the beach and somebody just walked up to me and gave me five points, so that was my easiest.
1:26 pm
hurshy

why can't i free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart?
1:27 pm
btwrt

so they say this one isn't challenging, aye?
1:27 pm
hurshy

they do be saying that
1:27 pm
hurshy

i am doing ok so far
1:27 pm
btwrt

doo be dooby dooo ...
1:27 pm
Minski

Done!
1:28 pm
hurshy

what say you, minski? did you guess/use forcing chain?
1:29 pm
Twin C

blargh. i'm stuck
1:29 pm
hurshy

i have the 21, which drwho mentioned... i shall try to press on
1:31 pm
hurshy

our intrepid hero fights through the blinding mist of numbers
1:32 pm
btwrt

spaceman spiff?
1:32 pm
hurshy

well, i meant me, but sure
1:32 pm
btwrt

well, who doesn't want to be spaceman spiff
1:33 pm
hurshy

me. i'd prefer to be spacegirl spiff
1:33 pm
beertje

I have to say this starts off quite easy.. already finished the bottom right box
1:33 pm
hurshy

yes, the experts oft begin easily and then turn on you. but people are saying this one is good.
1:33 pm
btwrt

yeah. it's going very quickly for me also
1:33 pm
sandbox74

so that's how it feels to use a checkpoint...
1:34 pm
btwrt

i'd be spacechica
1:34 pm
beertje

I kind of suspect this one will turn nasty on me
1:34 pm
btwrt

as do i
1:37 pm
zemoxian

I didn't run into nastiness. I got a little creative with some of the moves, but that came pretty quickly.
1:37 pm
hurshy

to green or not to green, that is the question
1:38 pm
sandbox74

I would concur with others that once you fill the 21... it takes one right guess to make everything else fall easily
1:38 pm
hurshy

we no wishy to guess
1:38 pm
hurshy

we wishy to logic
1:38 pm
btwrt

it is against hurshys morals to guess
1:38 pm
zemoxian

No greens, backtracking, guesses, or chains for me. I think this was my first "Expert" that ran that quickly
1:38 pm
Limer

green it, baby!
1:38 pm
beertje

uhm.. what does 'fill the 21' mean?
1:38 pm
btwrt

yay! i feel hope
1:39 pm
hurshy

ooh, good to know zemox
1:39 pm
btwrt

good ol' MSU, aye zemoxian?
1:39 pm
zemoxian

:-D
1:39 pm
hurshy

well dr who reported getting 21 without green, so i knew i could make it at least that far
1:39 pm
btwrt

i have no real affiliation with either, but my step-dad is a UM alum so it's fun to pretend to be an MSU fan ;)
1:40 pm
btwrt

for instance, around christmas it's nice to get him an MSU themed gift.
1:40 pm
hurshy

get your kicks on route 66
1:40 pm
hurshy

she doesn't look cruel, does she?
1:41 pm
zemoxian

Don't let the logo fool ya. I'm not football fan, but I do have enough school spirit to watch the occaisional MSU/UM game. I'm always happy to hear that UM got crushed. :-P
1:42 pm
btwrt

yeah i'm not into sports myself
1:42 pm
btwrt

i don't *look* cruel, hursh, that's part of the surprise :D
1:42 pm
zemoxian

My wife's from Kalamazoo so she really likes to talk trash with UM fans back at home.
1:42 pm
hurshy

this is what i was trying to say
1:43 pm
hurshy

i got a gal....... in kalamazoozoozoozoozoozoo
1:44 pm
btwrt

ahh, kazoo
1:46 pm
btwrt

hmm. well i've got 20 and no apparent leads
1:46 pm
hurshy

you can get one more!
1:46 pm
btwrt

looooking..
1:52 pm
hurshy

why is it that some people are just so... dislikable
1:52 pm
btwrt

?
1:52 pm
btwrt

i dunno. i kinda like everybody. it's a curse.
1:53 pm
hurshy

this student that just stopped by. he's... he's...
1:53 pm
hurshy

i don't know how to explain it. he's just kind of whiny and annoying.
1:53 pm
btwrt

ahh. a teenager?
1:53 pm
hurshy

indeed.
1:53 pm
hurshy

but many of our teenagers are ok.
1:54 pm
btwrt

hmm. true.
1:54 pm
btwrt

mebbe he'll grow into a well-rounded human being
1:54 pm
hurshy

hmmm
1:57 pm
aggy

Oh that took one right guess, but I am glad its over
1:58 pm
btwrt

ahh. 21.
2:15 pm
bunnyvicious

Can it be solved without a guess?
2:23 pm
beertje

could someone explain to me what 21 means? :p
2:23 pm
bunnyvicious

SHe found 21 numbers, was stuck on 20 for a bit...I think.
2:25 pm
beertje

Oh.
2:25 pm
beertje

I just saw someone mention it before, thought it was some sort of code hehe
2:46 pm
hurshy

i'm back from phone call, who's still here, btwrt
2:46 pm
hurshy

did you finish?
2:46 pm
bunnyvicious

Me unfortunately...
2:47 pm
hurshy

ok, well i'm breaking out the moose munch to see if that helps
2:48 pm
hurshy

i think i'm going to green it though. :(
2:48 pm
bunnyvicious

Hursh, you know alot about kitties. We have a kitten who is losing fur on it's feet and tail... can't really afford to take it to the vet at the moment. Any idea what it could be?
2:48 pm
hurshy

ringworm :(
2:49 pm
hurshy

unfortunately, you are going to have to take it to the vet
2:49 pm
bunnyvicious

What about the other cats? We have 9.
2:50 pm
hurshy

keep it away from them, although they've probably caught it by now
2:50 pm
hurshy

unless it is NOT ringworm, that's just the most common cause of fur loss
2:50 pm
bunnyvicious

Oh dear, calculating vet bill for nine cats.....
2:50 pm
bunnyvicious

Maybe I can get the vet to give me something for em all if I take in the one. There isn't an over the counter?
2:51 pm
hurshy

they need a medicated ointment, antibiotics, and/or special shampoo
2:52 pm
hurshy

and they need to be confined, because it is a fungus, it spreads by spores, and you have to clean the house VERY thoroughly or they'll just pick it up again
2:52 pm
bunnyvicious

Well, calling the vet then, maybe he'll bill me. We don't let the cats in the house though.
2:52 pm
hurshy

ah, well then you won't have to do all that cleaning
2:53 pm
hurshy

it could be something else.
2:53 pm
hurshy

but probably needs medication in any case.
2:54 pm
hurshy

if they are outdoors, then maybe they would be less likely to spread it to each other. in the house, if one gets it they all get it. so you might not need to treat them all.
2:55 pm
bunnyvicious

I also have a stray kitty, she is pregnant, won't let us come near her. I'm a sucker for strays, tried to tame her, but no luck.
2:55 pm
hurshy

aw, poor kitty
2:55 pm
hurshy

mine are all indoor, so it's pretty different, i would imagine.
2:56 pm
hurshy

and of course, i am not a vet - i just know ringworm cause mine had it!
2:56 pm
bunnyvicious

We used to let em come in and out, but when we moved, they just started using the bathroom all over the house, so I made em stay iout.
2:57 pm
hurshy

ringworm can be transmitted inter-species. it can also sometimes be picked up from soil. and kittens can have it without showing symptoms, thus easily passing it on to unsuspecting humans.
2:57 pm
bunnyvicious

I would love to let em come in, but I sure don't miss the cat hair everywhere.
2:57 pm
hurshy

if left untreated it just keeps eating deeper and deeper, eats away at skin, muscle, whatever it runs into.
2:58 pm
hurshy

do i sound like a medical dictionary? lol
2:59 pm
bunnyvicious

The kids have been playing with the kitten too, but I haven't any ring worms on them, yet... Will definately put the kitty in the kennel for now.
2:59 pm
bunnyvicious

Yup, but it's good to have extensive knowledge of SOMETHING! lol
2:59 pm
hurshy

they are not worms, it's kind of a misnomer. it is a fungus. it would just show up as a horseshoe shaped rash - it is athlete's foot fungus.
3:00 pm
kittybat

ok, so why am I having more trouble with yesterday's "easy" puzzle than I had with today's "expert" puzzle?
3:00 pm
hurshy

but i didn't get it when my cats had it, so your kids might not get it either.
3:01 pm
hurshy

of course with humans, you can cover it with a bandage and try not to touch things with the affected area to prevent the spread of the spores. but try telling a cat not to rub up against stuff...
3:01 pm
hurshy

if your kids do get a rash, that CAN be treated over the counter with any athlete's foot medication.
3:02 pm
bunnyvicious

I hope not.
Dunno Kitty, had a hard tim ewith todays.
3:02 pm
bunnyvicious

brb
3:04 pm
bunnyvicious

I got ahold the vet and he's gonna bill me if I can get there in a few minutes, and give me extra for the other kitties just in case. I love this man, thanks for the help Hursh, better get!
3:05 pm
hurshy

good luck bunny!
3:05 pm
hurshy

(you are bringing the cat, right? not relying on a non-vet internet diagnosis i hope :)
3:15 pm
hurshy

does anybody else ever find themselves tempted to say, well, if it went there, that would be too easy, so it must not go there... lol
3:16 pm
norinva

Amazing, got it more easily than I expected! Only had to make one guess, actually two guesses, since the first one didn't work!
3:17 pm
hurshy

zemox did not use a forcing chain... hmmm...
3:17 pm
hurshy

MAYBE zemox put something in when he techinically couldn't, and didn't notice, and it just turned out to be right.
3:21 pm
kittybat

I didn't need to guess on today's at all. Or use any super-advanced strategies, either. Sometimes it seems like it just depends on where you start. Start with the 1's and it is hard, start on, let's say the 7's and it is easy. Just my take on it.
3:21 pm
hurshy

and then there's the question of whether one is having a stupid day.
3:22 pm
hurshy

and whether one gets psyched out by it being CALLED an expert. which i think i did. done now, but forced it cause i'm a wimp today.
3:24 pm
hurshy

like non-hefty trash bags
3:26 pm
kittybat

: )
3:26 pm
kittybat

hurshy, is your icon a picture of your kitty?
3:26 pm
hurshy

i have three kitties, but yes, this is one of them. his name is marty.
3:27 pm
hurshy

i am wapping him right now
3:28 pm
kittybat

what are your other kitties' names?
3:28 pm
hurshy

mitten and cinder
3:29 pm
hurshy

marty loves to be wapped. i hold him and wap his side, like as if you were burping a baby, and he purrs and purrs. he also loves to have his nose pet. he is very weird.
3:30 pm
hurshy

i have got to go now, picking up friends at the airport, nice chatting and see you later :)
4:03 pm
Zugzug7

I don't like playing these guessing games. They are illogical. But this time it worked out fine.
4:04 pm
aki2403

agreed, I like the logic only ones, I've had to restart this one so many times I can do the bottom right from memory
4:13 pm
aki2403

oh
4:13 pm
aki2403

guesswork isn't required if you follow through where things can/can't go
4:14 pm
aki2403

so it is a logic only puzzle it would seem
7:15 pm
beertje

No........ I finished it, and then realized my connection was down
7:15 pm
beertje

Reloaded the page, and I was back at my last checkpoint :(
7:30 pm
JimD

Jeez, that was easy. Filled in all the easy ones, made a guess in the top-leftmost box where I had two choices left, and everything fell right out from there.
7:40 pm
eyeman

Hey, Brie! I feel you are thinking too hard.
7:40 pm
eyeman

working on 10/8 now. a toughie.
7:40 pm
Playwoman

Good for you, JimD. I am stuggling.
7:42 pm
Bri413

hey dr a
7:42 pm
Bri413

i'm still working on todays
7:42 pm
eyeman

OK. halfway done?
7:43 pm
Bri413

done
7:43 pm
eyeman

:) Bravo! You're over 100 now!
7:43 pm
Bri413

yeah
7:44 pm
eyeman

only 100 more and you'll be doubly happy
7:44 pm
Bri413

i'm gonna give 10/8 a shot
7:45 pm
eyeman

ok. be careful
7:45 pm
Bri413

lol, always
7:51 pm
Playwoman

I finished it, but I'm not proud because I made a guess.
8:13 pm
eyeman

phooey. no luck on 10/8. Off to bed. Nite all
8:13 pm
Bri413

nite dr
8:13 pm
eyeman

seeya around the campus
8:14 pm
Bri413

yup lol
8:14 pm
eyeman

lol
8:14 pm
eyeman

I'll come back to this later.
8:20 pm
helenkeller

go
9:48 pm
helenkeller

okay - just for the record i was helping hubby with work for the last hour
10:01 pm
brittlefish.com

in
10:02 pm
helenkeller

done