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Difficulty: Easy Thursday, November 30, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Thursday, November 30, 2006

12:25 am
WHB

Done
2:20 am
Linda

done - with lots of greens!
2:58 am
MrOoijer

piece of cake
5:42 am
bzikofski

done. no greens but it wasnt easy
6:28 am
yul

hello everybody
6:36 am
beertje

fell into the 'this is easy' trap and made a mistake... finally finished
6:37 am
yul

familiar siruation...
7:12 am
yul

done
7:13 am
eyeman

great medium puzzle
7:15 am
beertje

*phew* went to the archives and finished an 'expert'. Think that's my first
7:15 am
beertje

Nearly done with March,then... :\
7:18 am
sxygirl

hiya
7:22 am
sxygirl

is anyone talking to me
7:24 am
stokesy

hiya sxygirl
9:04 am
spellacked

This one started slow... I usually get more quick 'must go there' spots on n easy, but as soon as I started scanning rows and columns with just a few items left, I found enough to fill in the rest of the board.
9:33 am
UnikeTheHunter

What I like about the easy ones is, you don't have to use the greens.
9:52 am
UnikeTheHunter

Darn, I guess I'll have to use the greens.
9:55 am
beertje

Woo, I've got a flag.
9:55 am
beertje

Now I can conquer the world
9:56 am
UnikeTheHunter

Nice flag. Beertje, did you do Expert level without any mistakes?
10:02 am
zemoxian

I've gotten through medium and a reacent "easy" hard with no greens. With mediums, when I do use greens, I usually find the spot that I missed that I didn't need greens for.
10:05 am
drwho

Difficulty score 19. Cross hatching is the only technique needed. Definitely can be done without green.
10:13 am
UnikeTheHunter

Even with greens I'm getting stuck!
10:15 am
drwho

Hang in there, you'll get it.
10:16 am
UnikeTheHunter

Thanks, just made a little progress.
10:21 am
drwho

Virtually everyone knows the cross hatch technique (see the Wikipedia article on Sudoku if you are not familiar with the name cross hatch).
10:22 am
drwho

But it is possible that some haven't figured out how easy it is to use the cross hatch technique.
10:23 am
drwho

Consider that the puzzle is partitioned into 9 3x3 blocks, and there are 3 columns (stacks) of blocks and 3 rows (chutes) of blocks.
10:24 am
drwho

Just consider one of the stacks of 3x3 blocks. It is composed of 3 columns of 9 cells requiring all 9 digits in each column.
10:25 am
drwho

If the digit 3 (for example) is in 2 of the 3 columns, you automatically know that the column without a 3 has only 3 cells where the digit 3 can go.
10:26 am
drwho

You know it because the digit 3 can only appear once in each of the 3x3 blocks in the stack. So the missing 3 is in the intersection of the only block and row without a 3.
10:29 am
drwho

The rest is simple. There may a digit in one of the 3 candidate cells and there may be a 3 in one of the rows intersecting the block so only one candidate cell remains.
10:31 am
UnikeTheHunter

Darn it! A mistake. I seem to make mistakes when I use the greens.
10:36 am
UnikeTheHunter

Is it considered "fair," when you don't understand the logic, to set a checkpoint, make a guess, and see if it works out?
10:36 am
drwho

For the expert puzzles that may be the only way to solve some of them.
10:51 am
drwho

Oops, I made a typo a couple of comments back. In a stack of 3x3 blocks with the digit 3 appearing in 2 of the 3 columns in the stack, you know the digit 3 can only appear once in each block so the intersection of the only COLUMN and block in the stack without a 3 is where the missing 3 must be.
11:03 am
UnikeTheHunter

When you discover you've made a mistake, is there any technique for unwinding it down to the offending move?
12:31 pm
Minski

Not if you set it in a checkpoint. If the mistake is set in a checkpoint the only thing to do is start over. That's why I only set checkpoints if I'm absolutely sure I'm correct.
12:48 pm
beertje

this is too addictive
12:49 pm
beertje

I'm running through the archives and keep going "Just one more..". I'd better stop or I get an overdose
12:53 pm
Minski

Done!
12:54 pm
Minski

The archives are addictive. I used to start with Babble but now I start with sudoku to build up my confidence then get to babble if I get to it.
12:54 pm
beertje

congrats :)
12:56 pm
Douglas

mwah mwah mwah!
1:18 pm
mamabear

haste makes waste. now I gotta start over... I'm with Douglas.... mwah mwah mwah!!!!
1:22 pm
torgone

Whee! . .a point ...
2:17 pm
helenkeller

go
2:22 pm
aki2403

done and done. probably doesn't need greens, but it is oooooooh so easy if they are used right from the start (I tend to on every puzzle, it helps when you're dispraxic & dislexic)
2:31 pm
helenkeller

go now
2:43 pm
helenkeller

done
3:40 pm
bunnyvicious

.
3:50 pm
bunnyvicious

done
3:50 pm
bunnyvicious

.
3:56 pm
bunnyvicious

pause
4:00 pm
bunnyvicious

go
4:08 pm
bunnyvicious

done
5:09 pm
Stephanie

Hi
5:10 pm
beertje

hey
5:18 pm
Stephanie

done!
5:20 pm
beertje

That was quick :)
5:21 pm
beertje

btw, is it just me or is this place a bit quieter than it used to be?
5:29 pm
beertje

Good answer :P
6:19 pm
brittlefish.com

in
6:41 pm
brittlefish.com

out
6:49 pm
Niela

There is one problem with sudoku: it's more interesting than homeworks!
6:58 pm
chebuctonian

hi all
7:06 pm
chebuctonian

finally
7:07 pm
chebuctonian

wee! on to archives :)
7:20 pm
chebuctonian

now on June 3rd. Is anyone else here?
7:31 pm
chebuctonian

.
7:42 pm
Playwoman

I am, but perhaps you don't know me
9:29 pm
Bri413

hey dr a
9:29 pm
eyeman

hi Brie. Got your message thanks. I replied
9:30 pm
Bri413

lol,
9:30 pm
eyeman

Up to 100 yet?
9:30 pm
Bri413

i'm working on 8-20
9:30 pm
Bri413

i hope so
9:31 pm
eyeman

I'm working on 5/23
10:00 pm
Bri413

done
11:37 pm
skizzybiz

alright quick, before it rolls over!
11:39 pm
skizzybiz

so brain dead...
11:51 pm
skizzybiz

whoo!