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Difficulty: Hard Saturday, March 25, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Saturday, March 25, 2006

12:08 am
raggedyandy3478

wow, this one is quite odd
12:08 am
boric

yeah, it is.
12:09 am
raggedyandy3478

the center box is the first one that i have filled
12:09 am
boric

me too.
12:09 am
tonyfro

yep
12:09 am
Moi

this is a good one...
12:13 am
bebe

ummmm! hard
12:13 am
raggedyandy3478

lol
12:18 am
british16chica

center square as well...
12:19 am
cookie

This is the first time that I have played. Does it make a little sound if you are correct?
12:20 am
british16chica

i think it makes a sound when you enter something
12:20 am
british16chica

it doesn't necessarily mean you are right (you don't find out til you're done)
12:21 am
cookie

thanks
12:21 am
raggedyandy3478

if you are wrong, it will highlight the violated area
12:22 am
raggedyandy3478

wrong, compared to what you already have plugged in
12:28 am
BehemothCat

Done! :)
12:28 am
bebe

:o
12:28 am
bebe

:o
12:33 am
raggedyandy3478

stuck
12:35 am
Debs40ish

Not sure if anyones here but I'm done....
12:36 am
scottru

done. not bad.
12:36 am
boric

hmm. must be missing something obvious.
12:37 am
Debs40ish

I bet it's anumber Boric.....lol
12:37 am
boric

yeah, lots of them.
12:37 am
raggedyandy3478

haha, its ok, im missing it too
12:37 am
tonyfro

aha, the comedians are online
12:38 am
Debs40ish

Lifes too short to be too serious Tony..
12:38 am
tonyfro

Oh I'm not serious
12:39 am
Debs40ish

Anyway its 06:40 here so I'll go and tangleword or sommat... Good luck to you all.. Tale care, be happy & smile.. Lifes too short (((hugs)))
12:39 am
boric

6:40? NZ?
12:39 am
Debs40ish

England
12:39 am
acheekymonkey

hopefully not too short to finish this puzzle
12:39 am
Debs40ish

lol
12:39 am
boric

doh. 06:40 not 18:40
12:40 am
tonyfro

we'll see about that
12:40 am
Debs40ish

I hope not or my boss will be miffed I didn't turn up for work!
12:41 am
Debs40ish

Leave you all to it... tc :)
12:41 am
tonyfro

finally, 40 minutes
12:42 am
Debs40ish

Cya Tony.. congrats
12:42 am
british16chica

oh man, i blew something major
12:44 am
raggedyandy3478

id have to admit that i am right there w/ ya
12:44 am
raggedyandy3478

id have to admit that i am right there w/ ya
12:44 am
raggedyandy3478

sorry, for the double
12:45 am
cookie

This is my first sudoku........I think I am going to become the expert of the start over button
12:47 am
raggedyandy3478

dont worry, i was the same way when i started sudoku, but sooner or later you finally get the hang of it
12:50 am
MotiveForce

I'll bet I messed something up... cuz I'm cruisin
12:51 am
stubie

I <3 Reeses.
12:51 am
british16chica

that's where i was at
12:51 am
stubie

OK, so lemme ask ya'll a question.
12:51 am
MotiveForce

w0rd?
12:51 am
acheekymonkey

the empty sections are the speed trap
12:51 am
Mark

I just finished one for the first time!!
12:51 am
stubie

I try each number in each 3x3 group. Then I do rows. And then I do columns. Does anyone do it another way?
12:52 am
torgone

You have to look at all possibilities.
12:53 am
acheekymonkey

congrats Mark
12:53 am
boric

done. phew.
12:53 am
raggedyandy3478

same thing stubie, but just a dif order w/ those things
12:54 am
raggedyandy3478

except, im not having much luck 2night
12:54 am
nickmracek

i wish i weren't drunk
12:55 am
cookie

I wish I weren't stupid
12:55 am
nickmracek

i wish i weren't retarded
12:56 am
MotiveForce

i wish i were an Oscar Meyer weiner
12:56 am
nickmracek

thats what i really want to be
12:56 am
british16chica

'cause if i were an oscar meyer weiner
12:56 am
raggedyandy3478

wow, quite the aspiration in life
12:56 am
MotiveForce

the everyone would be in love with me!
12:56 am
british16chica

:)
12:57 am
british16chica

great harmony!
12:57 am
torgone

I wish wishing could make wishes come true ..
1:04 am
raggedyandy3478

so back to being stuck
1:04 am
MotiveForce

do u know about the red & green numbers? they can help
1:04 am
raggedyandy3478

ya, my entire screen is filled with them
1:04 am
MotiveForce

lol w0rd
1:04 am
raggedyandy3478

but im still stuck
1:05 am
acheekymonkey

i don't use red numbers for some reason
1:05 am
british16chica

me neither
1:05 am
Vega

Maybe that's why you're stuck... clear them out and redo them. I find that the green numbers (I don't use reds) are very distracting.
1:05 am
raggedyandy3478

i dont use the green numbers all that often
1:05 am
shortstop

I agree the little numbers get distracting
1:05 am
MotiveForce

I use the black numbers a ton B)
1:05 am
british16chica

lol
1:06 am
raggedyandy3478

the red numbers are the only reason i get half of what i do get
1:06 am
acheekymonkey

you have to look through the green numbers, like Neo in the Matrix.... :)
1:06 am
raggedyandy3478

lol
1:06 am
raggedyandy3478

well i just got one more number, so it apparently works for me, sooner or later
1:06 am
british16chica

hey i think i got a few more
1:07 am
cookie

Wait a minute! What is all this business about different colored numbers? How do you get that?
1:08 am
Vega

Cookie - see "How to Play" at the top.
1:08 am
MotiveForce

Dr_God is a ninja. Hence colors.
1:08 am
british16chica

huh?
1:08 am
Atalante

hi guys :) got to try and do this speedily today (eeeep) as I'm off on holiday for the weekend soon!
1:09 am
Vega

Speedily = doing on pen and paper. Unfortunately computer screen just doesn't match. ;)
1:09 am
Vega

*nearly forgets manners* Hello Atalante!
1:09 am
british16chica

woah, novel concept
1:09 am
Atalante

well yeah, but I can hope!!! and hi Vega :)
1:09 am
MotiveForce

what holiday (or are you from one of those places where holiday == vacation?)
1:10 am
Atalante

I'm just off to visit my twin sister for a few days - she lives right over at the other side of England
1:10 am
MotiveForce

England, cool
1:10 am
Atalante

no - freezing cold!
1:10 am
MotiveForce

yeah... holiday means something a little different in American dialect
1:10 am
MotiveForce

haha yeah
1:10 am
acheekymonkey

fraternal or identical?
1:11 am
british16chica

too bad we don't get st. patricks day off, i could have used it..
1:11 am
MotiveForce

hahaha
1:11 am
Atalante

officially not identical, in reality we still look pretty much identical anyway
1:11 am
MotiveForce

do they celebrate St. Patty's in the bars in the UK or is that poor taste?
1:11 am
acheekymonkey

that's fun
1:12 am
Atalante

its a huge thing - well, a good excuse for everyone to pile into irish bars and get horribly drunk on guinness lol
1:12 am
MotiveForce

haha nice
1:12 am
Vega

And wear green I presume!
1:12 am
british16chica

hey that sounds familiar
1:12 am
british16chica

but i don't totally remember what i did...
1:12 am
british16chica

;)
1:12 am
acheekymonkey

i'll have a newkie brown please!
1:13 am
The Wac

good evening!
1:13 am
The Wac

or rather. . . good morning!
1:13 am
Atalante

guinness always used to give out free hats and stuff at bars on st patrick's day - but I don't think they do any more
1:13 am
british16chica

hi
1:13 am
british16chica

nope, it's night where i am
1:14 am
MotiveForce

Ohhhhhh this all makes sense now
1:14 am
british16chica

grrr
1:14 am
MotiveForce

i was always wondering why so many ppl from the UK were on when I am... but I guess it's weird to be up at 2:14 in America
1:14 am
MotiveForce

and semi-normal in the UK
1:15 am
MotiveForce

?
1:15 am
british16chica

motive-where are you at?
1:15 am
acheekymonkey

i'm having trouble turning my monitor sideways to read the columns properly
1:15 am
MotiveForce

what time is it... 11:14?
1:15 am
british16chica

yup
1:15 am
MotiveForce

New York state
1:16 am
MotiveForce

(it's the north-east of the US)
1:16 am
british16chica

you telling that to me?
1:16 am
MotiveForce

yup yup
1:17 am
british16chica

well hello from Los Angeles
1:17 am
british16chica

it's in the south west
1:17 am
acheekymonkey

lol
1:17 am
MotiveForce

hahaha
1:17 am
cookie

and hello from Ojai
1:17 am
MotiveForce

ohhh cool (the "british" part of your handle threw me off)
1:17 am
british16chica

yeah, i'm not really british
1:17 am
british16chica

too obvious
1:18 am
MotiveForce

lol
1:18 am
The Wac

Ojai?
1:19 am
cookie

Ventura County, Ca
1:19 am
The Wac

ah ok
1:20 am
The Wac

it's just after midnight here
1:20 am
cookie

where?
1:20 am
The Wac

good old utah
1:20 am
cookie

cold too, I'll bet
1:20 am
/dev/nall

that was an easy "hard"
1:21 am
british16chica

i'm freezing where i am, but that's cuz the heat's not on
1:21 am
The Wac

oh yeah. . .about 35 degrees right now
1:22 am
british16chica

okay, not that cold
1:22 am
british16chica

but cold for LA
1:22 am
MotiveForce

probably about 10 degrees here
1:22 am
british16chica

dang
1:22 am
The Wac

where you at?
1:22 am
MotiveForce

Rochester NY
1:22 am
The Wac

i believe it
1:23 am
The Wac

it's actually been warming up here lately
1:24 am
raggedyandy3478

any luck for u guys?
1:24 am
acheekymonkey

not yet
1:24 am
british16chica

i'm slowing down
1:26 am
british16chica

anybody into March Madness?
1:26 am
stubie

Not anymore.
1:26 am
The Wac

wish i could say i cared. . but alas. . .
1:26 am
raggedyandy3478

oh ya!
1:26 am
raggedyandy3478

i absolutely love basketball
1:26 am
british16chica

who are you going for?
1:28 am
raggedyandy3478

well i was going for UNC, im a Tarheel for life, but now I just dont care who wins, I just love watching games that could be the next classic
1:28 am
british16chica

wow, deep
1:28 am
raggedyandy3478

its just basketball at its best
1:28 am
british16chica

i don't get into it at all, but my parents call to tell me UCLA wins, so i'm sorta interestde
1:30 am
The Wac

who was it that said this was easy?
1:30 am
MotiveForce

/dev/nall (or was that retorical?)
1:30 am
raggedyandy3478

last four generations of my family went to UNC, and im at Georgia Tech, so I always have and always will love ACC basketball
1:30 am
cookie

Don't know........I'm sure finding it difficult
1:31 am
british16chica

alright, saving it for later. g'night all y'all
1:31 am
The Wac

night!
1:31 am
MotiveForce

laterz
1:32 am
cookie

gnight
1:33 am
raggedyandy3478

and stuck again
1:33 am
hurshy

racing helen...
1:33 am
NJL

hi everyone
1:33 am
The Wac

hey hey!
1:34 am
hurshy

hey wac did you ever see my answer to your question about eb being auntie
1:34 am
The Wac

that i did!
1:34 am
helenkeller

lol - hi hursh - gee after that monkey debacle i don't know if i can show my face again - lol
1:34 am
hurshy

oh good
1:34 am
The Wac

what was with us the other day. . . we kept missing each other
1:35 am
hurshy

i'm off and running, helen, keep up!!!
1:35 am
Atalante

monkey debacle? that sounds interesting!
1:35 am
helenkeller

i blame the wine -
1:35 am
hurshy

hey ata, race on, no time to splain
1:36 am
hurshy

this is scaring me, too easy, am i messing up?
1:37 am
The Wac

but of course hurshy ;)
1:37 am
santa1563

im starting to think the difficulty rating is just there to psych us out
1:37 am
santa1563

the hards are rarely hard and easys are rarely easy
1:37 am
santa1563

at least for me
1:37 am
MotiveForce

are you done?
1:38 am
santa1563

not yet just started
1:38 am
MotiveForce

it gets hard :/
1:38 am
Vega

Think this one is hard despite it looking easy at first... I'm stymied.
1:38 am
MotiveForce

starts reeeealy easy tho :)
1:38 am
raggedyandy3478

and then sneaks up on ya
1:38 am
santa1563

hmmm
1:39 am
santa1563

still...past puzzles have also led me to believe this
1:39 am
santa1563

not that i mind...kinda adds to it
1:40 am
Vega

I'd agree with you about most of them, santa.
1:40 am
MotiveForce

I should be coding
1:40 am
MotiveForce

I'll come back to this... (unless I'm worth my salt)
1:40 am
MotiveForce

laterz
1:41 am
The Wac

see ya
1:46 am
The Wac

yep. . . i think it's bed time for me. . . so until tomorrow
1:46 am
The Wac

goodnight everyone
1:46 am
The Wac

and good luck
1:49 am
NJL

done
1:49 am
raggedyandy3478

any suggestions on how to get it done
1:50 am
Atalante

kick the damn thing till it co-operates!
1:50 am
stane

work work
1:50 am
NJL

I only ever put green numbers in when there are only 2 possibilites left in the cell
1:52 am
NJL

for that number (I should have added)
1:52 am
raggedyandy3478

gotcha
1:54 am
iosefi

how can i do easy difficult ? ty
1:55 am
raggedyandy3478

im giving up for the night, its 3 AM where i live
1:55 am
raggedyandy3478

good luck to you all
1:55 am
helenkeller

nite andy
1:55 am
Ian Bradbury

Good night
2:01 am
hurshy

shoot, screwed it up somewhere
2:01 am
hurshy

was trying to go to fast
2:01 am
helenkeller

that was one way to go - i went the other way - just sitting here & staring at it :)
2:01 am
hurshy

oh well, will have to wait until tomorrow
2:01 am
hurshy

well it's too late to start over now
2:01 am
hurshy

good luck helen dear
2:02 am
hurshy

see you tomorrow
2:02 am
helenkeller

that's a great idea see ya here tomorrow
2:02 am
helenkeller

by the afternoon my company will have left & then i'll take a nap (cause they will get up in about 4 hours - i am sleep de[prived - opp. schedules) and then get back to this
2:09 am
Atalante

same here hurshy *sighsigh* speed sudoku isn't a good idea ...
2:27 am
fidget

quiet out there!
2:33 am
GingerUK

ok, someone tell me why I'm finding this HARD easier than yesterdays Easy???
2:34 am
EvilBernd

difficulty-status has a lag
2:34 am
EvilBernd

i would also say that the difficulty isn't changing that much between the days
2:34 am
EvilBernd

its always upper-medium-class
2:34 am
fidget

starts easy, gets harder
2:37 am
GingerUK

I have filled the centre 9 without any pencil marks or guessing!
2:38 am
GingerUK

mind you, the 2 empty squares might be a challenge.....
2:39 am
fidget

Top left ain't easy
2:39 am
GingerUK

thanks for the headsup!! ;
2:58 am
GingerUK

ummm... I can't make the red pencil marks although I can make green.... anyone else got this problem?
2:59 am
santa1563

alt click
2:59 am
GingerUK

hi Santa... I know HOW to do it... but it won't work!
2:59 am
santa1563

ah
3:00 am
santa1563

i dunno...mine works
3:01 am
Atalante

it is alt click - make sure you hold alt down for a good amount of time!
3:01 am
GingerUK

yeah... it has been working everyday up to now... maybe there are crumbs under my alt key!
3:02 am
Atalante

probably! been eating choccy biccies? :P
3:02 am
GingerUK

guess I'll have to work with possibles rather than not possibles LOL
3:02 am
Atalante

or just use green for not possibles today!
3:03 am
GingerUK

duh.... why didn't I think of that LOL
3:03 am
Atalante

:D
3:12 am
sprite

Morning all :)
3:12 am
GingerUK

morning sprite!
3:12 am
Atalante

morning!
3:22 am
sprite

This one is hard... almost everything can occur in two places, lol.
3:24 am
GingerUK

I'm doing better with this than I have ANY others!
3:26 am
sprite

I think the easy ones are the toughest. But that's probably just me :)
3:26 am
Atalante

done!
3:26 am
sprite

WTG Atalante :D
3:26 am
Atalante

though I admit to guessing between 1 of 2 numbers at one point cos I'm in a rush!
3:27 am
GingerUK

wd atlante!
3:27 am
sprite

If you guess right, it is called intuition.
3:27 am
Atalante

yup! I totally agree with that!!!
3:27 am
GingerUK

me too :-)
3:28 am
GingerUK

I'm doing ok but going to have to use 'intuition' to put anything in bottom right square!
3:28 am
Atalante

if it's any help for you at all, after that one guess (on one of the squares with 2 possibilities in), the whole puzzle just resolved in a flash
3:29 am
GingerUK

hmmm ok, thanks Atlante... I have 2 squares like that
3:29 am
sprite

Now I am wondering if it was just intuition or sheer genius, Atalante.
3:30 am
Atalante

sheer genius of course! ;)
3:30 am
haggis10

As I have just started and most of my squares are like that - is not much help at the mo but thanks
3:30 am
sprite

I just made a mistake! And I fixed it! :) Gawd, if only life was that simple.
3:31 am
Atalante

yes! that would be lovely!
3:37 am
sprite

*were
3:53 am
sprite

done too :)
3:54 am
GingerUK

I am soooo close6 squares complete!
3:54 am
haggis10

Sprite - in 41 min wtg
3:54 am
sprite

Good going, Ginger :)
Guess I am getting the hang of it, haggis ;)
3:59 am
GingerUK

I've gone wrong .. 9 doubling :-(
4:04 am
Vega

Finally! It's done.
4:04 am
GingerUK

wd vega
4:04 am
GingerUK

I ight have to stp back considerably :-( 7 complete square, soooo close!
4:08 am
santa1563

i just started guessing
4:08 am
GingerUK

that's where I've gone wrong Santa
4:08 am
santa1563

we'll see how it turns out
4:08 am
santa1563

yeah
4:09 am
santa1563

ive just made sure i know where i started guessing
4:09 am
GingerUK

I did a checkpoint just before so can step back
4:11 am
GingerUK

but it's a BIG step!
4:13 am
santa1563

mine too
4:14 am
Atalante

sneaky things I've learnt, if you feel you need more than one save - either open a new window and play in there, or take a screenshot of the puzzle so you can also recreate that position
4:15 am
santa1563

yeah ive done that for other puzzles
5:05 am
NickCerda

starting
5:05 am
NickCerda

is this one hard?
5:06 am
haggis10

Who wants to answer that one?
5:06 am
GingerUK

I got a long way fast then it became rather hard!
5:06 am
haggis10

been stck for a while myself
5:07 am
caderoux

making good progress, just started to go nuclear, and then some more things opening up
5:07 am
GingerUK

I have squares 5 and 7 complete... but lots of places for 2 numbers left
5:11 am
haggis10

none of my methods seem to make sence any more - it's all a blurr right now
5:11 am
NickCerda

hows your nuking going caderoux?
5:12 am
GingerUK

I need some devine inspiration right now :/
5:12 am
caderoux

all greens filled in - looking for patterns
5:13 am
NickCerda

yea i am new to the whole green red thing
5:21 am
NickCerda

DONE!!! (filling in the reds and greens)
5:50 am
GingerUK

did you see any pattern Nick?
5:50 am
caderoux

and done
5:50 am
GingerUK

well done Caderoux, wishI could say the same LOL
5:52 am
NickCerda

done
5:52 am
NickCerda

woohoo 31 min
5:52 am
NickCerda

from all greens and red till solve
5:56 am
caderoux

I just redid it in SS and it's all about hidden pairs, which reveal hidden singles. about an hour here and 5 min in SS
5:59 am
GingerUK

SS?
6:04 am
bex777

this is hard
6:05 am
NickCerda

ss?
6:05 am
NickCerda

and yea i know what you mean by hidden pairs
6:06 am
GingerUK

having fun with 8's and 7's here!
6:07 am
caderoux

Simple Sudoku for Windows - I have a pretty straightforward technique there - I highlight each number and make sweeps getting all the (not really hidden, since they're highlighted) singles. I do the locked candidates too at that time. Then I click the pairs button and look for pairs and triples. In this case, I had to do a little extra looking for the hidden pairs and then some more hidden singles showed up and then everything just dropped out.
6:08 am
GingerUK

um... that makes perfect sense :-O .. LOL
6:11 am
caderoux

It's a great tool - I do the ones here without it because the highlighting makes solving so much quicker, it feels like an unfair advantage, and I don't always feel like typing them in in design mode.
6:14 am
GingerUK

oh no... back to the drawing board! Having trouble with 9's twice now!
6:38 am
peternl

hi all
6:39 am
peternl

Nikola tells me she did this one in 15 minutes
6:44 am
chebuctonian

hi
6:44 am
GingerUK

Hi Peternl... I'm on my 3rd restart... the 9's are troublesome (to me!)... got so close to finish too with 7 complete squares!
6:45 am
GingerUK

Hi Chebuctonian
6:48 am
chebuctonian

this is beyond ridiculous. I'm finding this one easier than yesterday's easy to start into
6:48 am
peternl

yep
6:48 am
GingerUK

yes, it's dead easy to START Chebuctonian LOL... you can fit lots of numbers but then a brick wall is thrown up!
6:49 am
GingerUK

am I invisible today LOL?
6:50 am
peternl

I havent hit a block yet, I'll let you know if it slows down
6:50 am
chebuctonian

so far, I'm doing ok... I don't think you're using good enough strategies to solve a hard puzzle. have you read the wikipedia article?
6:51 am
GingerUK

you can complete a good amount of this puzzle today without the need for pencil marks... even I managed that LOL
7:03 am
raerae7133

hello!
7:03 am
chebuctonian

hello!
7:07 am
liber8ed

only 3 points? I thought "Hard" was 5 points last time?
7:07 am
raerae7133

Nope, they changed it
7:07 am
peternl

its changed
7:07 am
raerae7133

1, 2, 3, 5
7:07 am
chebuctonian

5 for evil?
7:08 am
raerae7133

And I imagine that all of the hard's that you got BEFORE the switch now count as 3 as well
7:08 am
haggis10

I've had 2 points for medium - does it depend on the length of time you take?
7:08 am
raerae7133

No. 2 points is how much you get for mediums now
7:09 am
haggis10

and the number of resets you do?
7:09 am
haggis10

and the number of resets you do?
7:09 am
haggis10

and the number of resets you do?
7:09 am
haggis10

ok
7:10 am
haggis10

but i've got 10 points for a med when i completed in on 20 mins
7:10 am
liber8ed

guess i should have read how to play :)
7:10 am
raerae7133

are you sure haggis10? How long ago was that?
7:10 am
haggis10

it was my first game abouot a week ago
7:10 am
liber8ed

yeah the first puzzle i did was 10 points - byt thats been a while ago
7:11 am
chebuctonian

done!
7:11 am
chebuctonian

and it took me less time than yesterdays, and I didn't need a reset... wt#$?
7:12 am
haggis10

must be 10 for first game then point system after that
7:13 am
raerae7133

perhaps
7:16 am
raerae7133

aaand I'm stuck
7:17 am
peternl

yep, a bit stuck too
7:17 am
raerae7133

I was doing so well too
7:17 am
haggis10

licky u there?
7:21 am
Rachel

hi honey
7:21 am
raerae7133

Oh hello, my fiancée
7:22 am
Rachel

:)
7:22 am
Rachel

Tough one again!
7:22 am
raerae7133

yeah, but this time it's actually labeled as such
7:22 am
Rachel

true
7:24 am
lslele

i have nothing in the top left
7:24 am
raerae7133

me either
7:24 am
raerae7133

And only one number in the bottom right
7:24 am
lslele

got 824 bttm right
7:24 am
raerae7133

center square is filled
7:25 am
lslele

center and below are filled
7:25 am
lslele

but still stuck =P
7:25 am
raerae7133

hmm, is there something I'm missing, because I can't see how to fill the bottom (and bottom right) wthout guessing
7:26 am
Thuryn

haxored, i don't think you're missing anything. i'm at a point where i'm going to have to guess. :/
7:26 am
lslele

dont think i guessed but i dont remember now
7:26 am
raerae7133

guessing is no good :(
7:27 am
Thuryn

i've had to reset once. turns out i made a move that i thought wasn't a guess, but in fact had another possible move (and i picked the wrong one)
7:27 am
Thuryn

i agree. logic games where you end up having to guess are stupid.
7:28 am
raerae7133

You don't have to ever guess. Sometimes it just takes a lot of thinking and green numbers though :)
7:28 am
Thuryn

i didn't finish yesterday's puzzle at all because i was going to have to guess, so i just refused.
7:28 am
Thuryn

i you have to fill in a number and "see where it goes," that's guessing.
7:28 am
raerae7133

right
7:29 am
raerae7133

anyway, gotta finish this later. I have breakfast plans
7:29 am
raerae7133

bye!
7:29 am
Rachel

bye matt!
7:29 am
Thuryn

l8r
7:29 am
lslele

would be cool if they took everyone's answers for the day, and run a little movie showing how people solved...
7:29 am
lslele

does that make sense?
7:29 am
Thuryn

yes. it would be very cool.
7:29 am
Thuryn

"tutorial mode"
7:30 am
Thuryn

or even "spectator mode"
7:30 am
lslele

spectator would be cool too
7:30 am
Kerryanne

except for people who do it on paper then enter it all in at the end, it would like you'd used a solver
7:31 am
Thuryn

in websudoku, there's a reason to do that, but not here. this one lets you reset or back up on the screen.
7:31 am
Kerryanne

but yeah, it would be interesting to see what numbers other ppl got first
7:31 am
Thuryn

i have the center box filled in completely, but it isn't helping me a bit. :/
7:35 am
lslele

3 points?
7:49 am
caderoux

Easy: 1pt
Medium: 2pts
Hard: 3pts
Expert: 5pts
7:49 am
caderoux

Easy: 1pt
Medium: 2pts
Hard: 3pts
Expert: 5pts
7:49 am
caderoux

Expert was 10 at the beginning, ut it's been changed. Sorry or double post - not sure what caused that.
7:51 am
haggis10

thnaks Islele that help a lot with 824 clue
7:54 am
Kerryanne

i don't know whats wrong with me, i finish the hard puzzel in 20 minutes, and take 2 hours to do yesterdays easy. . .? perhaps i'm getting better
7:54 am
peternl

Nikola said the same thing, finished yesterday in 1.5 hours and todays in 10 minutes
7:55 am
peternl

Whereas I finished yesterdays in 20 minutes and am stuck on todays
7:55 am
Kerryanne

maybe its just the way different ppl approach it, :)
7:55 am
peternl

perhaps
7:57 am
Kerryanne

well going to town now, so good luck x x
8:48 am
sherb

oh boy, restarted... and finally finished... now I can do something else with my day... :D
8:49 am
peternl

I just had to go thru like a 50 step process to eliminate a possibility top make some progress
8:55 am
peternl

finally!
8:55 am
peternl

I'm going to bed! night all
9:28 am
harpjane

Hello.
9:28 am
hurshy

hey harp
9:31 am
harpjane

going to bed? I just got up!
9:31 am
hurshy

well we don't know what country...
9:32 am
hurshy

alrighty, i am done
9:35 am
David Mitchell

peternl? Probably the Netherlands.
9:37 am
beertje

Strange going to bed at 3 pm and wishing everyone a good night, though. Even for a dutchman
9:37 am
David Mitchell

Oh, didn't think about what time it is in the Netherlands. Whoops.
9:38 am
beertje

;)
9:49 am
Rachel

This is such a hard one
9:50 am
Rachel

usually it doesn't take me this long
9:53 am
johnmstash

i started a sudoku once or twice... this is the first i'
9:53 am
johnmstash

that im dedicated to finishing. picked a hell of a one, eh?
9:53 am
Rachel

that's for sure
9:53 am
jdbarney

Good luck with that
9:54 am
johnmstash

thanks
9:56 am
btwrt

i'm having an easier time with this one than i had with yesterday's 'hard' one
9:56 am
tnkgrl

'easy'?
9:57 am
btwrt

lol sorry i got it turned around. yes, yesterday's 'easy' one
10:04 am
hokie carla

sometimes my numbers are slow loading in. please tell me there are more than 3 3's on that grid to start with.
10:05 am
Rachel

haha, no carla
10:05 am
tnkgrl

nope
10:05 am
hokie carla

never mind, here they come. whew, I thought, "Hard, that's darn near impossible!"
10:07 am
macuser

Done! That wasn't *too* bad
10:08 am
Rachel

I must be doing something wrong from the very start
10:19 am
johnmstash

if i could just get one or two spaces filled in, it'd blow this puppy wide open (not that blowing puppies open is usually a good idea or anything)
10:22 am
Rachel

$$&*^^(#@#
10:23 am
jdbarney

Don't flip out on us Rachel - I'm stuck too
10:23 am
Rachel

it's that upper left hand corner
10:29 am
marciikeler

macuser, did you have to do any guessing?
10:33 am
macuser

No, I didn't guess at all. I started with the upper left hand box and worked from there. Figure out which number goes in the very first box, everything else falls into place
10:33 am
Mattthejackass

That was just as easy as yesterdays
10:34 am
marciikeler

thx macuser
10:34 am
David Mitchell

I must be missing something about that upper left hand box.
10:34 am
macuser

yw, marci
10:34 am
Rachel

David, I am too
10:34 am
Rachel

I get a nine, but that's about it
10:36 am
macuser

it is possible to deduce what goes in the first box... look at the rows and you'll see there's only one number that can go there
10:36 am
acheekymonkey

the whole upper left box is blank for me
10:37 am
acheekymonkey

when i say blank i mean many green numbers
10:37 am
macuser

and when I say rows... I mean all the way up and down
10:37 am
DBoutsik

GREEN NUMBERS??????
10:38 am
DBoutsik

I only see five numbers eliminated from the upper left box...
10:38 am
David Mitchell

Possibilites, DBoutsik. Shift-click to set.
10:38 am
acheekymonkey

choose a number with the shift held down, puts a green one there
10:38 am
DBoutsik

aaaaah
10:38 am
DBoutsik

thanks
10:39 am
harpjane

I agree with DBoutsik, I only see five numbers eliminated from the upper left box. What am I missing?
10:40 am
acheekymonkey

me too
10:40 am
Rachel

I have none eliminated
10:40 am
macuser

Sorry, I should have done a screenshot of it before I finished because now I don't remember what were in there as poosibilities
10:40 am
macuser

*possibilities
10:40 am
DBoutsik

hmmmmm
10:41 am
Stef

my box is totally blank
10:41 am
macuser

what number do you all have in there now as possibilities?
10:41 am
acheekymonkey

well you know that it can't be a 1, 5, 2, 4, 8 because those are given, so those are eliminated
10:41 am
acheekymonkey

given in the row 1 and column 1
10:41 am
Rachel

oh, I see what you mean
10:42 am
acheekymonkey

possibilities = 3679
10:42 am
jdbarney

what do you see Rachel?
10:42 am
DBoutsik

could be 3, could be 9, could be 7, could be 6,
10:42 am
Rachel

not much jd
10:42 am
macuser

those are the correct possibilities
10:43 am
marciikeler

don't think it can be 3, cause i just guessed with that and got stuck later on ;)
10:43 am
DBoutsik

yes, but you said it was possible to deduce because ONLY ONE number could go there
10:43 am
marciikeler

of course it's possible i have another issue
10:44 am
macuser

find the number in that group that you won't be able to place in either of the 2 boxes beneath it
10:45 am
acheekymonkey

well that number could go in column1, row6 as well
10:45 am
sarugirl

a hoi hoi
10:45 am
Psycho_Puppy

This one seems easier than yesterday's, so far...
10:46 am
macuser

you're right, acheekymonkey... you'll need to eliminate that one first
10:46 am
acheekymonkey

thanks
10:47 am
David Mitchell

Bother, still missing something.
10:48 am
acheekymonkey

macuser, when you say eliminate are you guessing?
10:48 am
macuser

no, I believe I filled that one in quite early
10:48 am
acheekymonkey

ok
10:49 am
marciikeler

YAY did it!!!
10:49 am
marciikeler

YAY did it!!!
10:49 am
macuser

It was based on the same deduction as applied to the other
10:49 am
marciikeler

thanks to macuser, actually :)
10:50 am
macuser

WTG, marci!!! :)
10:50 am
marciikeler

i feel kinda like a loser to have need help though...
10:50 am
acheekymonkey

i got the same help and i haven't got it yet...so what does that make me?
10:50 am
David Mitchell

I still can't see it at all
10:50 am
David Mitchell

Nice going, marci
10:51 am
macuser

you're not a loser, marci... you still had to figure it out for yourself
10:51 am
marciikeler

i just went with his tip... the # that can be in square 1 but not in either of the 2 squares below it
10:52 am
marciikeler

i don't understand why the other option for that number was eliminated though
10:52 am
marciikeler

:P
10:52 am
macuser

er, I'm female, heh
10:52 am
acheekymonkey

if you got c1, r6 that is....
10:52 am
Psycho_Puppy

I don't understand the tips you guys give at all, but they make me look harder so I think that's why I'm finding this one easier.
10:53 am
marciikeler

sorry macuser
10:54 am
acheekymonkey

the tips can be a little cryptic... i think folks don't want to give too much away for those still wanting to do it solo
10:54 am
macuser

lol, it's okay... the reason it had to be elimanted was because that number could only be used once in that column
10:54 am
Psycho_Puppy

Yeah.
10:55 am
spellacked

boy, that was a particularly easy one
10:57 am
macuser

okay folks, I'm outta here... good luck and take it slow... don't rush it... that's when I make all my mistakes... bye!
10:57 am
Psycho_Puppy

Take care M.
10:58 am
acheekymonkey

thanks macuser
11:00 am
Psycho_Puppy

I just reset mine by accident. Sucks.
11:00 am
artemis

Finally only 3 possibilities left in the top left corner.
11:01 am
Psycho_Puppy

Lol well done. Keep it up.
11:01 am
laketrout

more of a medium difficulty puzzle...
11:01 am
Rachel

ugh, finally
11:01 am
Psycho_Puppy

Yesterday's was easy and I thought that was harder than this.
11:01 am
Rachel

Never want to do that one again
11:02 am
caffeinatedelf

i agree, psycho
11:06 am
Douglas

Do you think the "hard" and "easy" messages are the wrong way around?
11:06 am
Psycho_Puppy

Haha I'm starting to think so.
11:06 am
acheekymonkey

nope, i can do the easy ones
11:07 am
blitzkrieg

thats easy
11:07 am
artemis

I did the one yesterday in about 15 minutes, and I'm taking forever to do this one.
11:08 am
jdbarney

DONE !!!
11:08 am
Psycho_Puppy

The one yesterday took me about 40 minutes and I had nearly done this one in about 25 before I accidentally reset it.
11:08 am
Psycho_Puppy

Although the end might have taken ages...but I doubt it.
11:10 am
acheekymonkey

this is too hard for me
11:10 am
Psycho_Puppy

Don't give up!
11:10 am
Linda

i started off well, but . ..
11:11 am
Psycho_Puppy

It kinda fades in and out. I spend a few minutes stuck and then get a few numbers at once..
11:13 am
artemis

I think I've got it. I was able to place L2-C2 and L2-C3. It unblocked so many other cells.
11:16 am
Krys10

stuck, stuck, stuck!
11:17 am
M3

me too me too me too lol (stuck that is)
11:17 am
artemis

DONE!
11:17 am
beertje

same here, same here, same here!
11:18 am
johnmstash

i'm about to start guessing...
11:19 am
Linda

it never pays to guess!
11:20 am
johnmstash

i know. ive gotten burned on the guessing... and it simply isn't as rewarding. still, tempting.
11:20 am
Psycho_Puppy

:( Have to go to work now. Guess I'll be back later to try and finish before time runs out!
11:21 am
chu

some times guessing is the only way
11:22 am
Linda

i'm soooo stuck
11:24 am
M3

oki have a tip .......... DONT GUESS lol
11:25 am
Linda

i'm going to have to GUESS!
11:25 am
acheekymonkey

I'm going to do it...im guessing
11:28 am
beertje

oh wow... I've been starting at the screen for aaages but never saw something so obvious
11:29 am
beertje

I think I might be on my way to solve it now
11:29 am
beertje

staring even
11:29 am
acheekymonkey

care to share a tip?
11:30 am
beertje

well... it kinda depends on how far you've got already and such :\
11:30 am
caffeinatedelf

ack. i had to start over and now i'm all stuck again
11:30 am
beertje

And if we're using the same methods
11:30 am
acheekymonkey

yeah
11:31 am
Linda

wot a surprise guessing didn't work. i'm off to have my tea instead
11:31 am
beertje

But for me it involved finding three cells on a line that each contained only two or three of the same three numbers, nothing more. And then you can delete those three from every other cell in the line :P
11:31 am
acheekymonkey

ok thanks
11:38 am
beertje

YES
11:38 am
beertje

I'd been stuck for so long, but a single revelation started a landslide and it all fit into place after that :D
11:43 am
Lilac

this is getting frustrating
12:03 pm
acheekymonkey

bjornkri, that tip was helpful thank you
12:08 pm
dplass

:But for me it involved finding three cells on a line that each contained only two or three of the same three numbers, nothing more. And then you can delete those three from every other cell in the line"
12:08 pm
dplass

I don't get this
12:09 pm
acheekymonkey

say three numbers 1,2,3 show up in a row or column in a few places
12:09 pm
dplass


define 'few'
12:10 pm
acheekymonkey

if only those numbers are in three of the squares, like say 1,2 or 1,3 or 2,3 or 1,2,3 but no other numbers
12:10 pm
acheekymonkey

you can take out 1,2,3 from the other 7 squares
12:11 pm
acheekymonkey

in that row or column
12:11 pm
dplass

why?!
12:12 pm
acheekymonkey

its an extension of the twins rule if you have 1,2 in two squares they can be taken out of the row or column
12:12 pm
dplass

what if you have 6/9, 4/6/9, 2/4, 2/4/9
12:12 pm
acheekymonkey

because if the 1 is in one square the other must be 2 (when only those numbers are in the square, if there are many possibilities it doesn't work)
12:12 pm
dplass

i mean there are sort of twins
12:13 pm
dplass

but not really
12:13 pm
acheekymonkey

id say not really in your example
12:13 pm
dplass

cra
12:13 pm
dplass

p
12:13 pm
acheekymonkey

p is right
12:14 pm
evanonut

it's just deductive reasoning, only i'm not seeing it right now. dangit - they'r in there, i know they are.
12:18 pm
acheekymonkey

if you're stuck use the checkpoint and try the first number of a pair until it doesn't work out (like you have to put double numbers in a row or columm) then you know the other is the right one and work from there.
12:18 pm
dplass

p
12:19 pm
dplass

random guessing
12:20 pm
acheekymonkey

logical guessing
12:20 pm
evanonut

so much work cheeky, when i know there is a way to do it rigth the first time.
12:20 pm
acheekymonkey

i always have to do it the hard way...
12:20 pm
chu

it was a difficult one for me. i think i was working it out from the wrong spot. had to guess in 3 areas
12:21 pm
rjan_de

a gesture in one place should be sufficient ...
12:22 pm
dplass

i had such a great start. now 1/2 way done and stuck stuck stuck
12:23 pm
chu

not if it is correct one(some times)
12:23 pm
dplass

?
12:23 pm
The Wac

hey hey how's it goin?
12:23 pm
dplass

i need some 7s
12:23 pm
dplass

starting over
12:25 pm
rjan_de

chu: are we talking about luck? ;-)
12:26 pm
rjan_de

goin' to prepare diner - bye all
12:27 pm
chu

if you are guessing correct numbers some tims you can't finish in one go. it pays to fin a good plac to start guessing :)
12:27 pm
dplass

wth? i can't get anywhere now that i reset
12:27 pm
The Wac

that sucks
12:28 pm
acheekymonkey

done. checkpoints are my new best friends!!!!!!!!
12:29 pm
The Wac

they sure are nice
12:37 pm
The Wac

wahoo. . .3 points
12:47 pm
uiklop

this one's taking a while
1:00 pm
terfle

anyone know why the screen flickers sometimes?
1:00 pm
flarfu

i've only had that happen once. restart firefox
1:01 pm
terfle

ok
1:03 pm
terfle

hate to do this, but I'm going to have to use IE
1:04 pm
Lilac

what's that?
1:04 pm
flarfu

internet explorer
1:04 pm
terfle

an ancient browser used back in the day
1:04 pm
Lilac

ah
1:07 pm
btwrt

when dinosaurs browed the internet
1:07 pm
btwrt

when dinosaurs browsed the internet
1:07 pm
btwrt

when dinosaurs browsed the internet
1:08 pm
btwrt

sorry!
1:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHA
1:09 pm
terfle

this one looks like a pain
1:10 pm
harpjane

there's an echo in here
1:10 pm
harpjane

there's an echo in here
1:11 pm
harpjane

in here, in here, in here...
1:11 pm
flarfu

woohoo! done!
1:11 pm
btwrt

lol it was all because i tried to fix my spelling
1:19 pm
harpjane

eight squares to go.....the tension mounts....
1:21 pm
harpjane

six to go....
1:21 pm
guerro

if you are lucky like i was yesterday you will get down to the last two squares and have a conflict
1:21 pm
harpjane

four to go....
1:22 pm
harpjane

guerro, either way I have to start doing my taxes in five minutes!
1:22 pm
guerro

heh I got my taxes back like over a month ago
1:22 pm
blad

w00t!!!
1:23 pm
harpjane

rats.........................................
....
1:23 pm
guerro

i just realized something. I haven't eaten a candy bar in at least over a year
1:29 pm
hurshy

guerro!
1:29 pm
hurshy

how is that possible?
1:29 pm
guerro

hey hursh
1:29 pm
hurshy

you must be a boy.
1:29 pm
hurshy

or a model.
1:29 pm
guerro

i dunno but i did it on the last puzzle!
1:30 pm
hurshy

ate a candy bar?
1:30 pm
hurshy

i was talking about the candy bar thing
1:30 pm
guerro

came down to two empty squares and needed a 8 and 4 to go into them but each one had a 8 and 4 in conflict
1:31 pm
hurshy

oh, that is not fun
1:31 pm
guerro

oh i dunno I guess i just dont really ever eat candy bars but i like snickers
1:31 pm
hurshy

but it was the candy that shocked me
1:31 pm
hurshy

are you a boy?
1:31 pm
hurshy

or a model?
1:31 pm
guerro

well, I like to think of myself as a man. But yeah I ama guy lol
1:31 pm
hurshy

ok, then my world has not collapsed
1:32 pm
guerro

are you a girl?
1:32 pm
hurshy

yes, see the pink person by my name?
1:32 pm
hurshy

that is what it means
1:32 pm
guerro

ahhh i see
1:32 pm
hurshy

blue for boys, pink for girls, grey for people who won't say
1:32 pm
guerro

pinky hurshkidero
1:32 pm
hurshy

lol
1:33 pm
guerro

;)
1:33 pm
hurshy

i'm not up at inspiration point
1:33 pm
uiklop

and done - 3 more pts
1:33 pm
guerro

where are you from ?
1:33 pm
hurshy

connecticut
1:34 pm
guerro

wow thats far I am in AZ
1:34 pm
hurshy

ah, then you are lucky in one great respect
1:34 pm
guerro

lucky that its 79 degrees outside and sunny ?
1:34 pm
hurshy

no... you have john mccain for a senator
1:35 pm
guerro

oh
1:35 pm
hurshy

he is a great man
1:35 pm
guerro

yeah I have met him several times
1:35 pm
guerro

he speaks at the colleges here quite often
1:35 pm
hurshy

you HAVE?
1:35 pm
hurshy

wow that is so cool
1:35 pm
hurshy

i supported his presidential run
1:36 pm
hurshy

and got a poster of him in return from when he was younger
1:36 pm
hurshy

he was a hottie
1:36 pm
guerro

yes also, my mom was working for his father, U.S. McCain when John was taken prisoner of war
1:36 pm
hurshy

WOW
1:37 pm
guerro

how old are you ?
1:37 pm
hurshy

that is one thing that amazes me, that he went through all that and can still function would be impressive enough, but then to be such a great public servant...
1:37 pm
hurshy

i am 28
1:37 pm
guerro

i am 35
1:38 pm
hurshy

do you think he is going to run for pres again? that is the impression i get
1:38 pm
guerro

yes I think he will be the best bet for the Republicans in 08
1:39 pm
hurshy

i am not a republican
1:39 pm
hurshy

i just like good candidates
1:39 pm
guerro

and if the Dems put Hilary as their candidate then McCain will win hands down
1:39 pm
hurshy

he would have won hands down last time!
1:39 pm
hurshy

really it was stupid of the republicans not to see that
1:40 pm
hurshy

the republican base wouldn't vote for gore, and mccain would pick up all the middle voters
1:40 pm
hurshy

so they wouldn't have had that close election and all the craziness with the supreme court
1:40 pm
guerro

well, McCain is in office as a Republican but to me he is more of some kind of moderate I think the classical political parties are no longer descriptive of the candidates
1:40 pm
raerae7133

oh yay. politics
1:40 pm
hurshy

the trouble is they are descriptive of a lot of them
1:41 pm
hurshy

the only good ones are the ones like mccain who don't just toe the party line
1:41 pm
raerae7133

I thought my sudoku was the only bastion left from the political world. Is nothing sacred? :)
1:41 pm
hurshy

but hax - it's a friendly talk
1:41 pm
hurshy

we aren't arguing
1:41 pm
raerae7133

I know :D
1:41 pm
hurshy

you can always shut us up
1:41 pm
guerro

well, we are talking more about McCain than just plain ole politics
1:41 pm
raerae7133

It's no big deal. My tongue was firmly in cheek
1:41 pm
hurshy

lol
1:42 pm
raerae7133

so I'm stuck
1:42 pm
raerae7133

and I'm trying to avoid filling up the board with green
1:42 pm
guerro

I enjoy seeking out last bastions so I can introduce politics ;)
1:42 pm
hurshy

i can help if desired
1:43 pm
guerro

i have slowed a bit as well I finally got a number in the lower right 9 square box
1:43 pm
hurshy

say the word and i will assist
1:43 pm
guerro

not me
1:43 pm
hurshy

in whatever way you see fit
1:44 pm
hurshy

what about you hax? got any ?'s?
1:44 pm
guerro

hrmm, any way i see fit ? ? ;)
1:44 pm
raerae7133

I filled the center box, and almost filled the botom middle box (missing 4 and 7)
1:44 pm
hurshy

yes, that sounds right
1:44 pm
guerro

i am where hax is
1:44 pm
hurshy

do the top center too
1:44 pm
hurshy

it is good
1:46 pm
raerae7133

I can't :(
1:46 pm
hurshy

you should be able to get all but 4, and those 4 in pairs of 2
1:46 pm
guerro

yeah that is what i have
1:47 pm
raerae7133

yeah
1:47 pm
raerae7133

I did that
1:47 pm
raerae7133

Aside from the middle column of boxes I only have 3 numbers placed
1:47 pm
hurshy

well then just start filling up your possibles!
1:47 pm
guerro

my question is what do i do with all the green numbers once i have them in there
1:47 pm
raerae7133

I don't wanna :(
1:47 pm
raerae7133

so much green
1:47 pm
raerae7133

it's confusing
1:48 pm
hurshy

once you have them there, you must look for sets of numbers that are self-contained.
1:48 pm
hurshy

you know about that with pairs.
1:48 pm
guerro

???
1:48 pm
hurshy

if you have 1,3 in two boxes in a row or group
1:48 pm
hurshy

they can't go anywhere else
1:48 pm
hurshy

right?
1:48 pm
guerro

ohhhh
1:49 pm
hurshy

well this applies to any number of numbers.
1:49 pm
raerae7133

Fine I cave. Here come the greens
1:49 pm
raerae7133

*sigh* :)
1:49 pm
MDFreaK76

g'mornin all
1:49 pm
hurshy

if you have 3 boxes with, say, 7,8,9 (or any subset thereof)
1:49 pm
guerro

but i already have all the other numbers for those colums
1:49 pm
hurshy

then none of the others can contain those 3
1:49 pm
hurshy

right
1:49 pm
hurshy

i am just explaining the principles
1:50 pm
hurshy

so the other day for instance we had a box with 7,9, a box with 7,8 and a box with 7,8,9
1:50 pm
hurshy

so we were able to remove those numbers from elsewhere in the row
1:50 pm
hurshy

you see why?
1:50 pm
guerro

i do
1:51 pm
hurshy

ok well today you get a chance to apply that rule with FIVE
1:51 pm
hurshy

your mission...should you choose to accept it...
1:51 pm
raerae7133

FIVE?
1:51 pm
raerae7133

what the heck
1:51 pm
hurshy

yes FIVE!
1:51 pm
hurshy

isn't it great??? :) :) :)
1:51 pm
raerae7133

No :(
1:51 pm
raerae7133


1:51 pm
raerae7133



1:51 pm
raerae7133




1:51 pm
raerae7133





1:52 pm
hurshy

another thing to look for:
1:52 pm
raerae7133

whoa. that was odd
1:52 pm
guerro

yikes
1:52 pm
hurshy

yes it was
1:52 pm
raerae7133

I didn't do anything
1:52 pm
hurshy

thought you were upset
1:52 pm
hurshy

ok, another thing to look for:
1:52 pm
guerro

you must have leaned on the return button hahha
1:52 pm
hurshy

sometimes you may not know exactly where a number goes
1:52 pm
hurshy

but you know that it has to go, say, on the right column in a certain group
1:53 pm
MDFreaK76

how hard is todays puzzle?
1:53 pm
hurshy

3rd level of difficulty
1:53 pm
raerae7133

Difficulty: Hard
1:53 pm
MDFreaK76

i c that but we've had some hard easys and some easy mediums
1:53 pm
hurshy

ok, so if you know it must go on the right in that group, and the group below it you have that number as a possibility in the right and the center or something, then you can take it out of the right
1:54 pm
hurshy

i would say this rating is about right
1:54 pm
hurshy

did people catch that tip?
1:54 pm
hurshy

hax, guerro?
1:54 pm
guerro

i did
1:54 pm
raerae7133

yeah, I use that one a lot
1:54 pm
hurshy

ok
1:55 pm
hurshy

well then you should be able to do any sudoku in the world
1:55 pm
hurshy

if you know these simple rules :)
1:55 pm
raerae7133

It took me three tries yesterday
1:55 pm
hurshy

it just takes care and patience.
1:56 pm
raerae7133

And plenty of sleep the previous night
1:56 pm
mamabear

ummmm...... I guess I'm the only one, but no, hurshy, I do not get that tip :(
1:56 pm
hurshy

yes, sudoku MUST be done on a clear head.
1:56 pm
hurshy

ok i try again for you mama
1:57 pm
mamabear

I got a couple of the first week's puzzles but have been hitting brick walls since
1:57 pm
hurshy

let's say that in the top left box, you see that a 7 could only go on the right, after you have placed all your possibles
1:57 pm
hurshy

and in the middle left box, your possibles currently state that a 7 could go on the right or in the center column
1:58 pm
hurshy

well, it really CAN'T go on the right because the box above it is going to use the right, and that column can only have one 7
1:58 pm
hurshy

this is hypothetical, not about today's 7's.
1:58 pm
mamabear

Oh, yes, I understand that.......
1:59 pm
hurshy

and you know about self-contained groups?
1:59 pm
hurshy

that is not an official term or anything
1:59 pm
AliMcsweet

is there a pencilmarks option?
1:59 pm
hurshy

yes shift click
2:00 pm
AliMcsweet

thanks:)
2:00 pm
mamabear

self contained groups? You mean the 9 box cubes?
2:00 pm
hurshy

have you heard people talk about "naked pairs"?
2:00 pm
mamabear

shift click gives you green and alt click gives you red
2:00 pm
mamabear

nope. I would have remembered that term!!! LOL
2:00 pm
AliMcsweet

"naked pairs"?
2:00 pm
hurshy

well you prob know about them anyway
2:01 pm
hurshy

when you have two numbers in two boxes, then those 2 numbers can't go any other place in their group (or row, or column, whichever it is that they are in together)
2:01 pm
hurshy

right
2:01 pm
hurshy

i mean, right?
2:01 pm
mamabear

right
2:01 pm
AliMcsweet

yea
2:01 pm
hurshy

and do you know that works with any number of numbers?
2:02 pm
AliMcsweet

not just pairs
2:02 pm
mamabear

yeah but how do you decide from there which ones stay in which boxes?
2:02 pm
mamabear

yeah but how do you decide from there which ones stay in which boxes?
2:02 pm
hurshy

you don't right away.
2:02 pm
hurshy

the chief use is to eliminate them as possibles from other boxes.
2:03 pm
hurshy

which gradually helps.
2:03 pm
miller da killer

yay! finished...i don't know what you guys think but this one was definitely easier than yesterday's and this one is marked hard!
2:03 pm
raerae7133

the key is when you have two numbers in two boxes and ONLY those two numbers
2:03 pm
mamabear

oh ok
2:03 pm
hurshy

now, if it is more than 2, they don't ALL have to be in ALL the boxes.
2:03 pm
hurshy

if there is 7,8 and 7,9 and 8,9, that still works
2:03 pm
hurshy

3 numbers, 3 boxes
2:03 pm
hurshy

a self-contained group
2:04 pm
raerae7133

woo hoo
2:04 pm
hurshy

and as i was saying, today you can use this rule with FIVE
2:04 pm
hurshy

which is unusual
2:04 pm
raerae7133

do you have to?
2:04 pm
hurshy

not necessarily, perhaps
2:05 pm
hurshy

diff people notice diff things at diff times of course
2:05 pm
hurshy

so if you saw something i didn't before i saw it you might not
2:05 pm
hurshy

whoa that was confusing
2:05 pm
raerae7133

I get it though
2:06 pm
hurshy

phew
2:06 pm
raerae7133

My ability to parse confusing sentences far outstrips my ability to play sudoku :)
2:06 pm
mamabear

I understood that too
2:06 pm
hurshy

not true
2:07 pm
hurshy

you have 100% ability to play sudoku once you know the logic
2:07 pm
raerae7133

not true?
2:07 pm
hurshy

you just make careless errors sometimes
2:07 pm
hurshy

careless errors don't count as not being able to do it
2:07 pm
raerae7133

I feel so convicted all of a sudden
2:07 pm
hurshy

they just mean you didn't happen to do it.
2:07 pm
hurshy

convicted?
2:08 pm
raerae7133

"you just make careless errors sometimes" O:-)
2:08 pm
hurshy

well so do i!
2:08 pm
hurshy

i suppose most of us do
2:08 pm
hurshy

my point is just that it really doesn't mean anything about your sudoku ability.
2:09 pm
raerae7133

usually the trouble is that I'm afraid that I will make an error, so I tend to over think things when they get compliated, and then I just give up
2:09 pm
danec

this one is hard.
2:09 pm
hurshy

that is what is says, danec. :)
2:09 pm
raerae7133

I am listening to Royksopp. It is good sudoku music
2:09 pm
mamabear

my problem is once every thing is green, i don't know what to do from there.
2:10 pm
hurshy

you apply the logical rules we were just talking about, mama.
2:10 pm
hurshy

have you got everything green now?
2:10 pm
caffeinatedelf

doesn't it seem like the rules sometimes just back you into a corner?
2:10 pm
raerae7133

Also, I rarely am in a situation where I can use the triplet rule to actally weed things out
2:10 pm
mamabear

not yet
2:10 pm
raerae7133

like in the case where I have only three items left in the row
2:10 pm
hurshy

no, the rules always work out right.
2:11 pm
hurshy

really, hax?
2:11 pm
mamabear

which row or 9 box cube did you start with filling?
2:11 pm
hurshy

the whole middle section (columns 4 5 6) is pretty easy
2:11 pm
raerae7133

I get all excited because I find three boxes with three numbers, and then I realize oh, I can' do anything with these
2:11 pm
hurshy

you get it mostly filled with a few pairs left.
2:11 pm
mamabear

exactly hax!!!!!
2:12 pm
hurshy

odd, i use it all the times.
2:12 pm
hurshy

*time.
2:12 pm
hurshy

i mean sometimes that happens, what you're saying.
2:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

i get stuck with pairs or triples and it takes me FOREVER to figure out what to do next
2:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

maybe my brain is sticking
2:13 pm
hurshy

again, the thing with pairs or triples is not to look AT them but to look at what they help you eliminate.
2:13 pm
hurshy

usually they don't get sorted out themselves until much later.
2:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

what do you recommend doing with a cube (9 empty boxes) that is still empty?
2:14 pm
hurshy

fill it up with possibles!
2:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

i've got it all numbered up in green, and eliminated everything i could
2:14 pm
mamabear

gotta go shopping....will try to do this later... thanks, hurshy.......
2:14 pm
hurshy

you really must fill the whole grid with possibles in order to use the rules most effectively.
2:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

and now i appear to be stuck,lol
2:14 pm
hurshy

which one, the top left or the bottom right?
2:14 pm
hurshy

bye mama!
2:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

both
2:14 pm
mamabear

I see what you mean caffein..... once I have all that green, it makes me overwhelmed
2:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

yup mama, lol
2:15 pm
hurshy

it's like cooking, it may not look like a cake while you're mixing it, but you have to have faith that it will
2:15 pm
guerro

ok tty all later by hurshy
2:15 pm
mamabear

i don't know where to start then, because, historically I always end up with one row that can't make it and I have to start over.
2:15 pm
guerro

er, bye
2:15 pm
hurshy

you get out your ingredients and you make a big mess but then it all comes together
2:15 pm
hurshy

bye guerro
2:16 pm
hurshy

ok, so in the bottom right box, have you looked carefully at the ones that touch the outside?
2:16 pm
hurshy

mr elf?
2:16 pm
hurshy

or hax?
2:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

ms elf, actually ;)
2:16 pm
hurshy

oh, sorry ms elf.
2:17 pm
caffeinatedelf

it's okay :) i have two cells in the bottom middle that are unsolved (they have a pair in each, obviously)
2:17 pm
hurshy

yes, that is right.
2:17 pm
caffeinatedelf

and two cells in the middle right box unsolved as well
2:18 pm
hurshy

and you have nothing in bottom right but green, correct?
2:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

correct
2:18 pm
hurshy

so look at the ones that touch the outside
2:18 pm
raerae7133

the outside?
2:18 pm
hurshy

of the grid
2:18 pm
hurshy

the ones on the edge
2:18 pm
raerae7133

they can't be 8,1,2 or 3
2:18 pm
hurshy

there are 5 of them
2:18 pm
hurshy

RIGHT
2:19 pm
hurshy

so your other boxes are down to those four (or less)
2:19 pm
raerae7133

nice
2:19 pm
hurshy

that is where you use the rule with 5!
2:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

wait a minute, i'm confused. lemme read that again.
2:20 pm
hurshy

the outside boxes only contain 4,5,6,7,9
2:20 pm
raerae7133

I filled in one number with that method
2:20 pm
hurshy

or some subset thereof
2:20 pm
hurshy

5 boxes, 5 numbers
2:20 pm
hurshy

so they don't go anywhere else
2:20 pm
hurshy

well hax, it doesn't all happen right away
2:20 pm
raerae7133

that means the other 4 boxes have to be 8, 1, 2, 3
2:20 pm
raerae7133

I know it doesn't I was glad :)
2:21 pm
raerae7133

because any number filled in is a small victory
2:21 pm
hurshy

oh ok
2:21 pm
caffeinatedelf

NOW i see what you meant. thank you!
2:21 pm
hurshy

and wasn't it exciting to use it with 5 after all, hax, o ye of little faith?
2:22 pm
raerae7133

I have faith, I just like to complain O:-)
2:22 pm
raerae7133

But yeah. Thanks for the help
2:22 pm
raerae7133

I don't usually look at the bigger picture to do stuff like that
2:22 pm
caffeinatedelf

thx from me too
2:22 pm
hurshy

the top left is more about noticing what can only go in certain columns
2:22 pm
hurshy

yw
2:22 pm
raerae7133

mainly because there are so many places TO look
2:22 pm
hurshy

well hax, there are 4x4 sudokus if this is too much for you :)
2:23 pm
raerae7133

No, I'm fine :p
2:23 pm
hurshy

(male psychology, so easy to manipulate)
2:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHA
2:23 pm
AliMcsweet

:)
2:23 pm
raerae7133

Yeah, you sure played me like an instrument :p
2:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

high five, hurshy. that was funny! :D
2:24 pm
hurshy

lol
2:24 pm
raerae7133

Like I said, I just like to complain. I never said I was gonna quit :)
2:25 pm
hurshy

if i thought you might, i wouldn't have suggested it :)
2:25 pm
hurshy

at least you ask for directions...
2:26 pm
AliMcsweet

:)hehe
2:26 pm
raerae7133

I'm not so much of a guy that I can't ask for directions :)
2:26 pm
hurshy

exactly what percent guy are you, hax?
2:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

LOL.
2:27 pm
raerae7133

I think it fluctuates between 40 and 80 ;)
2:27 pm
hurshy

oh... not enough then... it's gotta be 99.44
2:27 pm
raerae7133

99.44 is the "ask for directions" threshhold?
2:28 pm
hurshy

no, just an ivory soap commercial joke. very obscure.
2:28 pm
raerae7133

Ahh yes. I remember those
2:28 pm
hurshy

i want my man as real as ivory.
2:28 pm
raerae7133

you want him to float in water?
2:29 pm
hurshy

no, just want him 99.44% pure!
2:29 pm
hurshy

of course he does float in water, too
2:31 pm
hurshy

marty, the cat in this pic, likes water. but doesn't like to get wet. and he doesn't seem to think they ought to go together. he thinks he should be able to enjoy going in the water without getting wet.
2:31 pm
hurshy

he seems surprised when he sticks his paw in the tub and it comes out wet.
2:31 pm
hurshy

but he puts it back in.
2:31 pm
raerae7133

cats are great like that
2:32 pm
hurshy

marty is a special wacko. weirdest cat, ever.
2:32 pm
hurshy

and most domesticated.
2:37 pm
raerae7133

okay, so I have this row: 6,7 - 4,6,7 and 1,3,4,6,7 (among others) can I do anything with those?
2:38 pm
hurshy

no, not really
2:38 pm
raerae7133

didn't think so
2:38 pm
hurshy

# of #'s must match # of boxes
2:38 pm
hurshy

5 #'s, 3 boxes, ng
2:39 pm
hurshy

what we need is some sort of interface where people can watch an expert solve a really truly evil sudoku, and watch the whole process.
2:40 pm
raerae7133

next time there's a hard or evil one, do a screencast :)
2:40 pm
hurshy

and where the expert can explain the logic behind each step
2:40 pm
raerae7133

I have web hosting if you need it :-D
2:40 pm
hurshy

how does one do this?
2:40 pm
raerae7133

Do you have a mac or windows machine?
2:40 pm
hurshy

windows
2:41 pm
hurshy

sorry :(
2:42 pm
hurshy

anyway i didn't say i wanted to be the expert
2:42 pm
hurshy

that would be a lot of pressure
2:42 pm
raerae7133

hehe, that's fine :)
2:42 pm
hurshy

i mean i could
2:42 pm
hurshy

but it would be so embarrassing if i made a careless error
2:43 pm
raerae7133

it wouldn't be a live broadcast :)
2:43 pm
raerae7133

http://www.hyperionics.com/
2:43 pm
raerae7133

you can use hypercam to create a movie of what happens on your sreen
2:43 pm
raerae7133

ButI don't want to pressure you, so I'll get back to the puzzle
2:43 pm
Noumenon

new save features are lookin good dr_god!
2:43 pm
hurshy

i see hypercam
2:44 pm
hurshy

how would one then broadcast it?
2:44 pm
raerae7133

upload it to a server, and link people to the movie file
2:44 pm
hurshy

this is like gym class.
2:44 pm
hurshy

just keep your eye on the ball.
2:44 pm
hurshy

it sounds so simple... yet...
2:46 pm
hurshy

when you say link people to the movie file, do you mean i would tell people, hey, this is the link?
2:46 pm
hurshy

like in here, in the chat?
2:46 pm
raerae7133

That would be one way yes
2:47 pm
hurshy

and when you say upload it to a server, would that be the web hosting that you referred to having earlier?
2:47 pm
raerae7133

That would be one option yes :)
2:48 pm
hurshy

and would one have to worry about copyright issues for using a sudoku and broadcasting it? on websudoku it says you can distribute them only to family, friends, or a school class
2:49 pm
hurshy

they sell their sudokus to papers and stuff
2:49 pm
raerae7133

That would be a question for Dr_God, since these are his puzzles
2:49 pm
hurshy

i wonder if dr_g generates these or buys them from somewhere else
2:49 pm
raerae7133

right?
2:50 pm
hurshy

well yes, assuming i used one of these
2:52 pm
hurshy

also, do you have to have a really good computer to use hypercam? mine is five years old, might not be powerful enough?
2:53 pm
raerae7133

I haven't used it. I just did a quick google search for screen capture programs on windows
2:53 pm
hurshy

:O
2:53 pm
raerae7133

Sorry :)
2:54 pm
hurshy

so really then, if i wanted, i could just make a whole series of still pics using "print screen" and paint
2:54 pm
raerae7133

That would definitely work too
2:54 pm
hurshy

but a movie would be fancier
2:54 pm
raerae7133

definitely
2:54 pm
hurshy

imagine, marketing a sudoku tutorial cd-rom
2:54 pm
hurshy

what an amusing thought
2:55 pm
raerae7133

And then there's the possibility of narrating it while you do it when a movie is used
2:55 pm
hurshy

someone prob already has
2:55 pm
hurshy

narrating!
2:55 pm
hurshy

hmm, i wonder if sean connery is available...
2:55 pm
raerae7133

fancy shmancy
2:56 pm
hurshy

or james earl jones
2:56 pm
hurshy

"luke, you can't put the 4 there"
2:56 pm
raerae7133

Morgan Freeman would be the best choice in my opinion
2:56 pm
caffeinatedelf

or, USE THE FOUR, LUKE
2:56 pm
hurshy

lol
2:56 pm
hurshy

much better, elf
2:57 pm
hurshy

grandpa gilmore is always up for narrating stuff
2:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

i'm a bit of a geek about starwars. although my hubby is WAY worse!
2:57 pm
raerae7133

damn. I screwed up :(
2:57 pm
hurshy

or LEONARD NIMOY!!!!
2:57 pm
hurshy

hax! how could you.
2:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

hax, me too. i am on my THIRD try.
2:57 pm
AliMcsweet

this puzzle is making me mad...
2:57 pm
hurshy

i hope you have a good checkpoint saved.
2:57 pm
raerae7133

I blame my humanity
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

hurshy, your tip worked beautifully and then from there i messed something up gloriously.
2:58 pm
hurshy

yes, what you all need is an infusion of vulcan blood.
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

:-p
2:58 pm
hurshy

did you save, though?
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

or a light saber.
2:58 pm
raerae7133

I did
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

i did, AFTER i screwed up.
2:58 pm
raerae7133

now that I can go back, I tend to save before I try to do anything overly clever
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

it's okay. i've almost memorized the moves that are correct
2:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

heh heh, IF ONLY
2:59 pm
hurshy

but the possibles. the annoying labelling of the possibles.
2:59 pm
hurshy

that is what one doesn't wish to have to do over.
2:59 pm
caffeinatedelf

i have sevens all over the damn place, lol
2:59 pm
caffeinatedelf

(in green, of course)
3:00 pm
mamabear

do you do red labeling too?
3:00 pm
hurshy

who you askin', mama?
3:00 pm
mamabear

anybody
3:00 pm
hurshy

i did at first when i was new to sudoku but now i don't.
3:01 pm
mamabear

ok thanks. just wondered
3:01 pm
caffeinatedelf

i don't, but that's because for some reason it will not work for me, so i haven't tried it out.
3:01 pm
hurshy

it helped me get the idea of things
3:02 pm
hurshy

and it was good before i was convinced that one never has to guess, bc i would use just red, and then if i thought i had to guess, i would make a green trail instead of putting in the numbers for sure
3:02 pm
hurshy

so if it didn't work i still had my reds and could just erase the greens
3:03 pm
hurshy

however, now that i know one really never has to guess, the reds have become superfluous
3:07 pm
dplass

lol
3:07 pm
hurshy

hello, dplass, what is funny?
3:07 pm
dplass

"however, now that i know one really never has to guess, the reds have become superfluous"
3:07 pm
hurshy

that is funny?
3:07 pm
dplass

dunno. just funny
3:08 pm
hurshy

i will begin my stand-up career post haste.
3:08 pm
dplass

now what's NOT funny is how I have gone like 3 days in a row w/o finishing
3:08 pm
dplass

even yetserday's "Easy"
3:08 pm
hurshy

see, now here is a person who needs my webcast, hax.
3:08 pm
jdog

I finished yesterday's "Easy" but there's a bug in the software such that it wouldn't log me in. I had to create a new user in order to do it
3:09 pm
hurshy

how odd, jdog.
3:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

i'm with you on that one, dplass. i didn't do yesterday's either. my brain quit working a few hours before the puzzle ended
3:09 pm
jdog

so the point it went on was not my jdog profile :(
3:09 pm
hurshy

are you sure you didn't have caps lock on or something?
3:09 pm
jdog

Has anybody had success with having your password emailed to you? that didn't work either.
3:09 pm
jdog

positive hurshy.
3:10 pm
hurshy

send an email to doc g detailing what's happened.
3:10 pm
hurshy

link at bottom.
3:15 pm
dplass

aw crap forgot to save
3:20 pm
jdog

I just solved this one, but i have a question for an expert.
3:21 pm
hurshy

ask away
3:21 pm
jdog

is it ALWAYS possible to solve one without doing a trial and error? I had to stick an 8 into a spot, then follow that path until it became impossible, then I went back and put the 9 in instead, and followed that path to solve it.
3:21 pm
hurshy

yes it is always possible.
3:22 pm
hurshy

didn't believe it at first either but tis true
3:22 pm
jdog

damn... oh well. I cheated then!
3:22 pm
hurshy

it's ok, you got it, you just made it harder on yourself than it had to be
3:22 pm
dplass

actaully i was reading on solving techniques, and it's NOT always tpossible without guessing
3:23 pm
hurshy

i have never encountered one that required guessing, even on the highest level.
3:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

where did you read that, dplass?
3:23 pm
dplass

i can dig it up in a minute
3:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

k
3:24 pm
hurshy

sudoku puzzles are not supposed to require guessing, if they do, then they are improperly constructed.
3:24 pm
Dr_God

It all depends on your definition of "guessing."
3:24 pm
btwrt

i have wondered that myself ... i believed in no guessing, but today's puzzle - well the last 3 or so - have really kicked my butt
3:24 pm
LeslieAnn

hello dr. g... what is your definition of guessing? :)
3:24 pm
hurshy

i never have to guess now under ANY definition.
3:24 pm
dplass

http://www.sudoku.org.uk/PDF/Solving_Sudoku.p
df
3:25 pm
btwrt

so then - would you say there is some probability involved?
3:25 pm
Dr_God

No
3:25 pm
tlon

it's more like a maze where there's some dead ends and you have to traceback
3:25 pm
dplass

== guess, then unguess
3:25 pm
Dr_God

There is technically no guessing in sudoku, but some humans can keep more in their head at once than others.
3:25 pm
dplass

lol
3:25 pm
dplass

ok
3:26 pm
hurshy

if you can mark the possibles you don't have to guess OR keep in head
3:26 pm
caffeinatedelf

i see what you both are saying. AUGH! now my head will explode from seeing both sides at once!
3:26 pm
dplass

too much caffiene?
3:26 pm
caffeinatedelf

it's possible :)
3:26 pm
Dr_God

So some players can keep 10 moves down the road in their head, other can't. Those that can are basically just mentally guessing.
3:27 pm
hurshy

i don't think ahead at all
3:27 pm
hurshy

and yet i never guess
3:27 pm
aileza

marking the possibles saves some brain work
3:27 pm
hurshy

yes marking is the key!
3:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

you have a good brain for the math, hurshy
3:28 pm
dplass

math?!
3:28 pm
hurshy

it's just one move at a time, there is always some one thing you can be sure of next, which leads to another thing you can be sure of after that.
3:28 pm
caffeinatedelf

the logic. it's mathematics
3:28 pm
dplass

dr god - how about a cheat button
3:28 pm
Dr_God

That would be cheating. ;)
3:28 pm
dplass

then you don't get points, natch
3:29 pm
btwrt

lol nooo, that would be too tempting
3:29 pm
aileza

no point then hehe
3:29 pm
Dr_God

Just have to wait til the puzzle closes and the answer becomes available.
3:29 pm
dplass

but since you can't see the "original" (unfilled-in) puzzle, what's the fun of the archive?
3:29 pm
Dr_God

That will soon change. ;)
3:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

yay!
3:31 pm
btwrt

you rock, dr god
3:32 pm
dplass

OMG THIS IS so freustrating
3:32 pm
dplass

yes, freustrating with an e
3:32 pm
dplass

the 'e' is for 'extra'
3:32 pm
Noumenon

nice save dplass
3:33 pm
dplass

lol.
3:33 pm
dplass

Dr_God: how about some Easy puzzles that are truly easy?
3:33 pm
Noumenon

:)
3:33 pm
hurshy

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but really, you never have to guess in any way, you do not even have to say, well, if this is a 5, then that would mean this, and that would mean this, and hold things in your head. scouts' honor.
3:35 pm
btwrt

i do agree with you, hurshy, i just hate the fact that my brain misses the obvious conclusions sometimes ;)
3:35 pm
hurshy

mine does too - but if i stare at it long enough i see them.
3:35 pm
btwrt

suddenly, after staring at it 2 hours my brain goes 'oh!'
3:35 pm
btwrt

you have given me hope ;)
3:35 pm
hurshy

oh, yay!
3:40 pm
caffeinatedelf

yay for btwrt!
3:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

(i caved an went pro)
3:41 pm
hurshy

lovely, elf
3:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

anD went pro. see, my language skills are failing me now.
3:41 pm
btwrt

caffein - i'm lovin your lil' avatar ...
3:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

ty :)
3:41 pm
btwrt

now my shadow looks xtra plain. thx
3:42 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol. peer pressure!
3:42 pm
mamabear

here...btwrt... i'm only a shadow too! Is there any benefit in soduko to going pro like there is in babble?
3:43 pm
btwrt

lol yes caffein, do you find that you can solve the sudoku now? j/k ;)
3:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

meh, still having to use my own brainpower
3:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

i upgraded so i could 1)support the site since i'm here every day now, and 2)have an avatar
3:44 pm
hurshy

mama, if you don't like numbers, there are other tiles you can use as a pro. you can make a friends list and see who you know online.
3:45 pm
hurshy

and of course the icon, flag, etc.
3:45 pm
mamabear

just wondered.... thanks.
3:45 pm
btwrt

ooh, other tiles?
3:45 pm
hurshy

then there's the "dr_g must eat" aspect of things
3:45 pm
mamabear

another question.... if you have say 3 green numbe4rs in a box, is there a way to remove one without touching the others?
3:45 pm
hurshy

yes, shift click on it again
3:46 pm
hurshy

btwrt, there are letters, and little animals
3:46 pm
mamabear

I know it supports Dr. God..... I am all for that, was just wondering if things changed in here or not.
3:46 pm
hurshy

i know mama :)
3:46 pm
hurshy

i just ramble.
3:46 pm
TP17

I am 100% completely stuck
3:46 pm
mamabear

My grid is getting so green it looks like a Christmas tree.
3:47 pm
hurshy

TP17, is your grid also full of green?
3:47 pm
kindkat

same with mine, mama...
3:47 pm
hurshy

that is as it should be, to quote mary poppins.
3:47 pm
TP17

I use mostly green. If I find a box that I know can ONLY contain one of two numbers, I change them to red
3:47 pm
kindkat

hello, btw
3:47 pm
mamabear

But I am trying your method, hurshy - putting green numbers in each square. Now, theoretically at the end, I should have a box SOMEWHERE that only has one number in it as a starting point, correct?
3:47 pm
TP17

so I don't use the colors "correctly", but I use them
3:47 pm
hurshy

TP17, you then eliminate those two from the other things?
3:48 pm
TP17

yep
3:48 pm
TP17

found some naked triples
3:48 pm
hurshy

and TP17, you know you can do that with more than that too?
3:48 pm
TP17

but I just can't get past the point where I'm at
3:48 pm
hurshy

examine the edge boxes in the lower right corner carefully.
3:48 pm
TP17

will do
3:49 pm
hurshy

yes mama, you will get to where you only have one green in some square. only you will have to work for it. :)
3:49 pm
mamabear

didyou see my last question, hurshy?
3:49 pm
mamabear

I'm about half way done greening
3:50 pm
hurshy

yes, i think, didn't i answer it right there?
3:50 pm
cookie

What about the edge box in the lower right hand corner?
3:50 pm
hurshy

the 5 edge boxes in the lower right hand corner, if considered carefully, will render assistance.
3:50 pm
mamabear

yes - I'm sorry - I wrote that post before I saw your answer. I think I just hit my one green number box - it's a 5..... right?
3:51 pm
hurshy

could be, mama
3:51 pm
hurshy

hard to remember :)
3:57 pm
btwrt

i have a shameful thing to admit. i didn't know about the little green possible numbers and now that i have found out about this, things are going much better :/
3:57 pm
hurshy

lol
3:57 pm
btwrt

you would think caffein would have TOLD me about it ... lol ;)
3:57 pm
rcheramy

WHAT! How do I see the green possibles?
3:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

i DID!
3:57 pm
mamabear

that's not shameful, btwrt...... this is new to alot of people!
3:57 pm
hurshy

shift click
3:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

:) i thought you already knew b4 that, though
3:58 pm
hurshy

are you 2 friends in real life then?
3:58 pm
mamabear

shift click for green numbers and alt click for red
3:58 pm
btwrt

lol. its ok i forgive you, i've only been at this 5 days now
3:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

because u are already so smart :D
3:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

sisters actually
3:58 pm
btwrt

she's my big sis
3:58 pm
rcheramy

someone fill me in on the green thing?
3:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am not BIG. :D
3:58 pm
hurshy

you can read how to play, or just try shift-click.
3:59 pm
hurshy

i wish i could get my sisters to play babble or sudoku. sigh.
3:59 pm
mamabear

rcheramy - hold down the shift key and click on a number it will make it green in the square. or hold down the alt key and click on the number and it will make it red in the square
3:59 pm
btwrt

aww
4:00 pm
mamabear

I'll be your babble/soduko sister, hurshy!!!!!
4:00 pm
btwrt

it's ok hurshy, we'll adopt you
4:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

aww!!
4:00 pm
btwrt

oh woops, mamabear got you first
4:00 pm
hurshy

oh, wow, lots of sisters!
4:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

ROFL
4:00 pm
mamabear

I have only one sister but she doesn't even talk to me let alone play games....
4:00 pm
hurshy

we can all adopt each other :)
4:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh dear, mamabear. that's awful. :(
4:00 pm
mamabear

that's ok, btwrt, I'll share her!
4:00 pm
rcheramy

heh... got it... I was using the red for that function.. didn't know there was red and green. handy
4:00 pm
btwrt

caffein and i are extra close because we hated each other as children
4:01 pm
hurshy

red, green, doesn't matter which
4:01 pm
mamabear

OK. Hurshy - all my boxes are full of green numbers and I think I'm starting to break out in hives.
4:01 pm
btwrt

there's red??
4:01 pm
btwrt

... j/k
4:01 pm
hurshy

mama, now is when the fun begins!
4:01 pm
caffeinatedelf

*I* can't figure out the red. it won't work for me, but i don't need it.
4:01 pm
mamabear

well, it does if you are using green for "could be" numbers and red to indicate "can't be" numbers in the same box
4:01 pm
hurshy

yeah, you really only need one colors
4:01 pm
hurshy

*color
4:02 pm
mamabear

OK.... hurshy..... walk me through this... I don't want to get this far and screw this up. Obviously, I start with the box that has one number in it. Here I go....
4:02 pm
hurshy

ok now remove that from all the others in its row and group and column
4:02 pm
mamabear

ok
4:03 pm
hurshy

that is where most mistakes are made, in forgetting to remove things and then something looks like something that it isn't.
4:03 pm
mamabear

ok. now I have another box that has one number in it..... brb
4:04 pm
hurshy

you see? it's like dominoes.
4:04 pm
mamabear

Yea but now I don't have any more boxes with only one number...... now what?
4:04 pm
hurshy

now you look for more things that are logical.
4:05 pm
hurshy

in the top left box, i think there is something that can only go in a certain column, even though you don't know which exact box yet
4:05 pm
hurshy

so it can't go anywhere else in that column
4:05 pm
mamabear

the top left box cube is completely empty - I don't see how I can determine an individual square yet.
4:06 pm
mamabear

I mean empty with dfinite numbers in it
4:06 pm
hurshy

you can't, mama, i didn't say you could
4:06 pm
cookie

look carefully at the fives
4:06 pm
hurshy

i just said you would find that something can only go in a certain column, and thus can't go lower in that column
4:06 pm
btwrt

oh this green thing is wonderful
4:07 pm
btwrt

oh frabjous day! calloo, callay ...
4:07 pm
mamabear

ok... never mind... I misunderstood.
4:07 pm
btwrt

*chortling*
4:07 pm
hurshy

twas brilling, and the slithey toves did gyre and gimbol in the wabe
4:08 pm
rcheramy

I HATE whne I'm 11 squares away and I have a screwup
4:08 pm
btwrt

all mimsy were the borogroves ... there's a user named momerath i saw on babble and somebody asked he/she if they outgrabe, but they never answered. and i was so curious
4:08 pm
mamabear

i'm sceered
4:08 pm
TP17

hurshy...... wha?
4:10 pm
caffeinatedelf

heehee! that's one of my favorite poems
4:10 pm
hurshy

beware the jabberwock, my son, the jaws that bite and the claws that catch
4:10 pm
hurshy

beware the jubjub bird, and shun the frumious bandersnatch
4:10 pm
TP17

jabberwocky? Python?
4:10 pm
btwrt

he took his vorpal sword in hand, long time the manxom foe he sought
4:11 pm
btwrt

so rested he by the tum-tum tree, and stood awhile in thought ...
4:11 pm
caffeinatedelf

i thought it was 'HIS manxom foe'
4:11 pm
btwrt

hurshy? dispute resolution?
4:12 pm
hurshy

hmmm, not sure
4:12 pm
hurshy

i think the
4:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

quick, someone google it!
4:12 pm
hurshy

i have hard copy downstairs
4:12 pm
btwrt

i need a hard copy. i memorized that like 10 years ago and it may have begun to fray.
4:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

no, you are right, btwrt. although manxome has an 'e', as you can see
4:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

also tumtum is not hyphenated, but it is capitalized :D
4:13 pm
hurshy

one two, one two, and through and through, the vorpal blade went snicker-snack
4:13 pm
FMitch

TP17 - not Python but Lewis Caroll
4:13 pm
btwrt

but we missed the line - and as in uffish thought he stood, the jabberwock, with eyes of flame, came whiffling through the tulgy wood, and burbled as it came!
4:13 pm
hurshy

oh yeah
4:13 pm
hurshy

guess i am rusty too
4:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
4:14 pm
btwrt

because i love that part, it's so ... emotive, lol
4:14 pm
hurshy

yeah
4:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

(was following you, hurshy)
4:14 pm
btwrt

how it can be emotive with all made-up words, i don't know
4:14 pm
TP17

ahhh, thanks FMitch
4:14 pm
hurshy

and hast thou slain the jabberwock? come to my arms, my beamish boy
4:14 pm
btwrt

i seriously have to go and hang with my poor ignored kid and grouchy husband. c y'all later
4:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh frabjous day! callooh! callay! he chortled in his joy
4:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
4:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

(last line)
4:15 pm
hurshy

yay1
4:15 pm
hurshy

i mean yay!
4:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol!
4:15 pm
hurshy

SO much fun.
4:16 pm
hurshy

mama, how you doing there?
4:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

:D yes
4:16 pm
mamabear

on hold got a phone call
4:23 pm
FMitch

why am I surprised - there is a website, www.jabberwocky.com
4:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's where i found the poem, lol
4:24 pm
FMitch

LOL caffein, just refreshing myself with the walrus & the carpenter now.
4:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

we quote that one a lot in my family, and always get odd uncomprehending looks from everyone other than us :)
4:25 pm
FMitch

ahh, a kindred spirit then!
4:26 pm
TP17

"The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse.
4:26 pm
TP17

(that's from the movie Dogma, by the way)
4:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol, i remember that
4:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

OR, it is what happens when you are high and writing poetry?
4:27 pm
TP17

I don't want to post the rest of the quote, since there might be some kiddies on here
4:28 pm
caffeinatedelf

yah, true
4:28 pm
LeslieAnn

i knew i had heard that somewhere before, tp
4:28 pm
hurshy

so does that mean he thought islam was the way to go?
4:28 pm
TP17

no
4:28 pm
hurshy

i know jk
4:28 pm
TP17

I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll spank you. "
4:28 pm
TP17

oh
4:28 pm
FMitch

LOL probably best not to TP17 as this is a very open log
4:29 pm
TP17

I cut out the naughty word
4:29 pm
hurshy

that may be what it is saying, makes sense. i don't think it's true, but i think it is a reasonable analysis.
4:29 pm
TP17

I agree
4:30 pm
TP17

this stupid puzzle is still frustrating me. I started over, and I'm back to where I was before
4:30 pm
hurshy

i mean, that is a low stage of morality, anyway, the stage where you do right out of fear
4:30 pm
hurshy

oh dear, tp, i'm sorry to hear that.
4:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

true
4:31 pm
TP17

at least I know I didn't mess up the first time :)
4:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

aw tp - don't feel too bad. i've had to start totally over from scratch twice
4:31 pm
hurshy

if you didn't mess up the first time, why aren't you done?
4:32 pm
TP17

I thought I might have screwed up, so I started over and put all the greens in, and have been eliminating since. But I'm back to the point where I was stuck at the first time
4:32 pm
hurshy

which is...?
4:32 pm
hurshy

you've done the five bit in the lower right?
4:32 pm
TP17

no other visible moves. I'm sure I'm missing some logic
4:32 pm
TP17

nope
4:33 pm
hurshy

consider the five edge boxes in the lower right corner
4:33 pm
TP17

I've looked at those 5 boxes, but I can't get a grip on what should be staring me in the face
4:33 pm
hurshy

how many different numbers do they contain?
4:33 pm
TP17

5
4:33 pm
hurshy

aha!
4:34 pm
hurshy

then if nothing but those 5 numbers can go in those 5 boxes, then those 5 MUST go there, and hence cannot go elsewhere in that group.
4:35 pm
hurshy

oui?
4:35 pm
TP17

it's a naked quintet????
4:35 pm
TP17

or quintuple?
4:35 pm
hurshy

indeed it is
4:35 pm
TP17

son of a......
4:35 pm
hurshy

i prefer to call them self-contained groups.
4:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

ROFL
4:36 pm
hurshy

but they work in any size.
4:36 pm
TP17

I looked up to the quads, but didn't go beyond that
4:36 pm
TP17

thanks Hurshy
4:36 pm
hurshy

yw
4:36 pm
hurshy

it is rare to get beyond even triples
4:36 pm
hurshy

so not surprising people are not noticing it.
4:37 pm
LeslieAnn

i like tp's naming better. makes the game more exciting ;)
4:37 pm
TP17

that leaves me with 2 other "naked pairs" in the other 4 boxes in that lower-right 3x3
4:37 pm
hurshy

sounds about right
4:38 pm
hurshy

depending what else you've done you may be able to place one of those pairs now.
4:38 pm
hurshy

but if not, that's ok too.
4:39 pm
TP17

yep, can't yet
4:39 pm
hurshy

the reason i like to call them self-contained groups is that it is one name that applies to them all, naked pairs, triples, etc., so it is simpler.
4:39 pm
guerro

i still dont fully understand this naked pair thing or maybe I do but just dont know it
4:39 pm
TP17

I'll try to explain
4:39 pm
hurshy

to review the logic of naked stuff, or self-contained groups
4:40 pm
hurshy

oh, you go tp
4:40 pm
TP17

If you have 2 boxes in a row, column, or 3x3 box, that you know can ONLY contain two possible numbers.......
4:40 pm
TP17

then those two numbers can be removed from the respective row, column, or 3x3 box
4:41 pm
guerro

ok i get that but what if those two numbers are the only left in a row column or 3x3 box
4:41 pm
TP17

and it works with 3 boxes that can contain ONLY 3 possible numbers, and 4 boxes that can contain ONLY 4 possible.....etc
4:41 pm
hurshy

then it's no help, guerro, and you'll get them later.
4:41 pm
TP17

exactly
4:41 pm
guerro

ok i see i was thinking i could still use them
4:42 pm
hurshy

but the logical principle is, if a certain number of numbers takes up that number of boxes, they must go in those boxes and no others.
4:42 pm
TP17

you kinda can
4:42 pm
guerro

along the far right column i have 2,8,3,1 and the same numbers along the bottome row
4:42 pm
guerro

my bottom right 3x3 box contains only an 8 in the upper left postiont
4:43 pm
TP17

if you have the "naked pair" in a 3x3 box, look to the rows and columns that contain those two cells, and see if you can make another "naked pair" in a row or column
4:43 pm
guerro

i have naked pairs all over
4:43 pm
hurshy

so, guerro, those 5 edge boxes in the lower right can ONLY contain the other 5 numbers (45679) and thus the other 4 in its group contain the 1,2,3,8
4:43 pm
TP17

I totally missed the logic on the 8's in the lower right corner. I could punch myself right now
4:43 pm
guerro

lots of times i have two naked pairs in the mirror position to each other
4:44 pm
hurshy

yes, and they will work out in the end guerro
4:44 pm
hurshy

you just can't get them right away
4:44 pm
guerro

ok
4:44 pm
LeslieAnn

don't do that, tp, we may need you for help later ;)
4:44 pm
hurshy

now, guerro and tp, you must probably work on the upper left box
4:44 pm
TP17

heh
4:44 pm
TP17

with Hurshy and the rest of the gang, I doubt you'll need my help
4:45 pm
hurshy

but i'm irritating
4:45 pm
guerro

i only have 15 mins til i need to get ready for work ugh
4:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

!! you are not!
4:45 pm
hurshy

they might want less annoying help
4:45 pm
guerro

hurshy: you are not annoying you are very sweet
4:45 pm
LeslieAnn

no hurshy, look at your picture, you are cute and cuddly
4:45 pm
hurshy

guerro, where are you?
4:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

call it thorough and directional ;)
4:45 pm
hurshy

my CAT is cute and cuddly, yes.
4:45 pm
guerro

AZ
4:46 pm
guerro

heh your CAT ? lol nm sorry
4:46 pm
hurshy

you have to work on a saturday night? restaurant?
4:46 pm
caffeinatedelf

ew, second shift, eh guerro?
4:46 pm
guerro

yes, Starbucks
4:46 pm
hurshy

ahhh
4:46 pm
LeslieAnn

well then you will be plenty awake when you come home to finish :)
4:46 pm
hurshy

does he not look like a cat?
4:47 pm
guerro

it will be after 1200 iron sudoku time before i return
4:47 pm
guerro

i am already an hour behind as it is
4:48 pm
LeslieAnn

oh, well you could always write down what you have on paper and finish it that way. you won't get points but at least you can finish it
4:48 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's true, this game is on central time, isn't it
4:48 pm
hurshy

what a dolt, how did i forget the AZ thing after that whole conversation.
4:48 pm
LeslieAnn

yeah, i'm on central time so i always forget that
4:49 pm
caffeinatedelf

i'm on eastern, but i've really only been paying attention to how many hours it says i have left
4:49 pm
guerro

maybe i will just do the one in newspaper when on break at work <sigh>
4:49 pm
hurshy

poor guerro
4:52 pm
LeslieAnn

oh i did the naked thing in the top left too! thanks guys
4:52 pm
LeslieAnn

hmmm, maybe that came out wrong
4:52 pm
guerro

okay going to get ready for work happy sudoku'ing
4:53 pm
hurshy

bye guerro!
4:53 pm
LeslieAnn

bye guerro!
4:53 pm
guerro

bye again hurshy
4:53 pm
caffeinatedelf

bye!
4:53 pm
TP17

see ya
4:53 pm
guerro

bye all
4:53 pm
TP17

LeslieAnn, you found one in the top left corner?
4:54 pm
hurshy

i don't remember there being one in the top left... maybe i missed it but i hope you haven't made an error, leslie
4:54 pm
LeslieAnn

um, no, but i eliminated a few numbers by using the naked 5 method
4:54 pm
TP17

ahh
4:55 pm
hurshy

TP are you seeing a quintet also?
4:55 pm
TP17

no
4:55 pm
hurshy

leslie, i think you might want to back up...
4:55 pm
LeslieAnn

from what i have, the left-hand column + middle-hand row can only be 1,3,5,6,7... but, i haven't saved it as a checkpoint so i might go back
4:55 pm
hurshy

check each of those boxes carefully and make sure you haven't left out any possibles
4:56 pm
TP17

I think you might have left out a possibility in the top-left cell
4:56 pm
LeslieAnn

crap... ok, going back... probably just to eager to say naked five again
4:56 pm
hurshy

lol
4:56 pm
TP17

hahaha
4:56 pm
hurshy

no, a slightly different bit of logic is need in the upper left.
4:57 pm
TP17

if my top-left cell didn't have one other number in it, you would've have been 100% correct
4:57 pm
hurshy

*needed
4:57 pm
LeslieAnn

oh you're right, i missed a 9
4:57 pm
TP17

:)
4:57 pm
lem45

GOT IT!
4:57 pm
LeslieAnn

hooray lem!
4:58 pm
hurshy

:) congrats, lem45
4:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

hooray!
4:58 pm
TP17

congrats
5:00 pm
hurshy

just popped over to babble, chatroom is quiet - hadn't been a post in almost 20 mins!
5:00 pm
TP17

whoa
5:00 pm
turbodonky

any nintendo ds players here?
5:01 pm
LeslieAnn

prob'ly cause the grid was so small, i was talking with 2-3 people earlier but we were it
5:01 pm
hurshy

oh, i thought it was saturday night, everyone out having fun except us sudoku geeks
5:02 pm
hurshy

either that or many old hands have been scared off by the huge influx of newbies
5:02 pm
TP17

Hurshy, who is your icon on babble?
5:02 pm
hurshy

right now, it's julia roberts
5:02 pm
LeslieAnn

is anyone else having problems with typing things in and they're not posting? it's happened to me about 5 times today
5:02 pm
TP17

I thought so
5:02 pm
hurshy

black and white day, and she had that dress
5:02 pm
hurshy

tomorrow is mother's day
5:03 pm
hurshy

(in the UK)
5:03 pm
hurshy

leslie, do they stay in the box or disappear
5:04 pm
LeslieAnn

disappear here... actually having the same problem on babble, but those messages would stay
5:04 pm
hurshy

if they stay in the box, i think it's just a delay and if you wait it will go eventually
5:04 pm
caffeinatedelf

leslie, i think the chatbox has been slow, that's happened to me a few times... but what i said DID show up, just not right away
5:04 pm
hurshy

hmm... yeah there are some glitches although i haven't had them today.
5:04 pm
LeslieAnn

makes me look like i'm slow, there's a convo and i comment on it 5 minutes later ;)
5:05 pm
hurshy

but we know you are not slow
5:05 pm
LeslieAnn

oh all right, no worries then
5:06 pm
hurshy

i like the name leslie. i also like meredith.
5:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

leslie is the name of the town my husband used to live in
5:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

is a pretty name
5:07 pm
LeslieAnn

it's served me pretty well, except in middle school, when kids delighted in the fact that it starts the same way as lesbian. had a bf who liked to call himself a "leslian." but i imagine everyone has problems then no matter what the name
5:07 pm
caffeinatedelf

ack! what a horrid thing for him (your bf) to do!
5:07 pm
hurshy

lol, that is true leslie.
5:08 pm
LeslieAnn

no worries, kicked him to the curb a long time ago ;)
5:08 pm
hurshy

i remember a full house episode (ugh) where stephanie was being called step-on-me and wanted to change her name to dawn bc she thought no one could make fun of that
5:08 pm
hurshy

but then her dad pointed out ways it could be mocked.
5:08 pm
LeslieAnn

and then they sang, dawn dawn dawn dawn dawn dawn dawn dawn dawn
5:08 pm
hurshy

yes!
5:09 pm
hurshy

the bonanza music.
5:09 pm
hurshy

and something about dawn-er and blitzen.
5:09 pm
LeslieAnn

i always remember the snl skit with chris farley where he wouldn't let his wife name the kid anything cause he said how it'd be made fun of, and then the pizza guy delivered a pizza for mr. asholey
5:09 pm
hurshy

dawn-ald duck.
5:10 pm
hurshy

lol
5:11 pm
TP17

and the SNL skit with Johnny Hildo
5:11 pm
TP17

and he meets Mike Bagina in jail
5:11 pm
LeslieAnn

or maybe it was dumas... anyway, you get the picture
5:13 pm
LeslieAnn

heehee tp... ah, if only snl was funny anymore
5:14 pm
santa1563

arent hard puzzles supposed to give you 5 pts?
5:14 pm
TP17

I know.... some of the young guys aren't too bad, but all in all, I think it's going downhill again
5:14 pm
hurshy

it switched, santa, from 1,2,5,10 to 1,2,3,5
5:14 pm
TP17

starting to remind me of the Anthony-Michael Hall/Tim Kazurinsky years
5:14 pm
santa1563

oh yeah thats right
5:15 pm
santa1563

i started it last night but couldnt figure it out, so i wrote it down and worked on it here at work
5:15 pm
LeslieAnn

shoot i should have done some of the experts when they were 10 pts ;)
5:15 pm
santa1563

im on my lunch in the break room
5:15 pm
TP17

I'm totally stuck again
5:15 pm
TP17

man I hate logic
5:15 pm
hurshy

leslie, it's possible that doc g went back and changed 'em all
5:15 pm
hurshy

tp, ponder the 5's in the left section.
5:16 pm
santa1563

i had to guess a time or two..sometimes it worked out and once i had to start over
5:16 pm
TP17

that's what I've been staring at, but again...... nothing!
5:16 pm
hurshy

if you hate logic why do you play, tp dear?
5:16 pm
TP17

because I'm normally pretty good at logic
5:17 pm
hurshy

tp, where might the 5's go in the upper left box?
5:17 pm
hurshy

i mean the 5
5:17 pm
hurshy

grammar, grammar
5:17 pm
TP17

2nd row -- 2nd column or 3rd column. boxes 5 and 6, I guess
5:17 pm
LeslieAnn

grammar schammer!
5:18 pm
LeslieAnn

(that coming from someone who writes for a living)
5:18 pm
hurshy

hmm, maybe it wasn't 5's....
5:18 pm
hurshy

what was it...
5:18 pm
TP17

heh
5:18 pm
mamabear

finally back....... let's see now.... where was I
5:18 pm
hurshy

where might the 5 go in the bottom left?
5:18 pm
LeslieAnn

hey mama, you missed a crazy poetry slam
5:19 pm
TP17

2nd column, 1st row or 3rd column, 3rd row -- boxes 2 and 9
5:19 pm
mamabear

Hi LeslieAnn...... I have the greenest grid right now!! I am trying out hurshy's method of attack...... I think I am stuck already
5:19 pm
hurshy

hmm, what about the 4's, maybe it was 4's...
5:20 pm
LeslieAnn

i am also greened-out, but have been doing lots of chat and not so much deducing
5:20 pm
TP17

hang on Hurshy
5:20 pm
hurshy

anyway, here is the thing. there is some number, can't remember which, that can ONLY go on the right in one of those sections, meaning it cannot go on the right in the other sections.
5:21 pm
Quick

Hi everyone. I recognize most of you from Babble. Knowing how kind and generous everyone is on that site, I was wondering how we would help one another here. Y'all are great!
5:21 pm
hurshy

hello, quick
5:21 pm
Quick

Hi Hurshy!
5:22 pm
Quick

so what is this method of yours?
5:22 pm
NatLT

revise done for thesis!!!
5:22 pm
hurshy

it's not really my method, it's just logic, the inevitable logic of sudoku
5:22 pm
hurshy

oh CONGRATS, nat
5:22 pm
btwrt

hi hurshy! little sis is back
5:22 pm
LeslieAnn

scroll back a bit, quick, we like to call it the naked method
5:22 pm
mamabear

Hi Quick
5:22 pm
hurshy

hi btwrt (which stands for...?)
5:22 pm
Quick

tee hee. Hi Mamabear!
5:22 pm
btwrt

uhh actually, it means nothing. word scramble
5:23 pm
btwrt

i never counted on it sounded so bad phonetically ...
5:23 pm
hurshy

lol
5:23 pm
hurshy

buttwart?
5:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

i won't tell you how i pronounce it. she doesn't like it. :D
5:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

ah, well, you've gone and done it!
5:23 pm
hurshy

did i guess it elf?
5:23 pm
btwrt

yes. lol. BAD
5:23 pm
hurshy

my sister would LOVE that.
5:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

and here i was trying to be nice :D LOL!
5:24 pm
hurshy

i must tell her about it.
5:24 pm
btwrt

some combination of bethany likes writing ... lol
5:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh, you never told me that! interesting.
5:24 pm
LeslieAnn

oh nat, now you've caught me, i actually came here and didn't work out... ;)
5:24 pm
hurshy

elf, perhaps i should introduce you to my sister, it sounds like your minds work the same way
5:24 pm
btwrt

and because i'm dumb (and was by myself) i was like, oh that one looks good
5:25 pm
hurshy

lol
5:25 pm
hurshy

is it too late to change it?
5:25 pm
NatLT

teehee, I wont tell
5:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh it's been years!
5:25 pm
NatLT

I did work on my paper, it's already 47 pages and it's only 1/2 done
5:25 pm
btwrt

well, actually it's never taken (go figure) so i always use it. haha
5:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

AUGH. that is a very long paper
5:26 pm
btwrt

what's the paper about?
5:26 pm
LeslieAnn

eeek glad i am done with that madness
5:26 pm
NatLT

it's my thesis, it is a premarital group counseling workshop that I am creating
5:26 pm
hurshy

interesting, nat
5:26 pm
NatLT

thanks
5:27 pm
btwrt

caffeinblahblahblah (your name is too long) ... i got some very good outside pix of N
5:27 pm
hurshy

much better than my husband's thesis
5:27 pm
mamabear

Can you not go to past a certain point in the chat log in here?
5:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

graduate program or bachelor's?
5:27 pm
NatLT

grad
5:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

nice!
5:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

(i am jealous a little)
5:27 pm
TP17

Hurshy, here's what I have so far....
http://www.timmyponline.com/random/su
doku.jpg
5:27 pm
hurshy

yes mama, but the upper right corner button shows whole log (unless it glitches)
5:27 pm
NatLT

don't be, it's a lot of work
5:27 pm
Rachel

Hey Quick, how'd you come up with that as a screen name?
5:28 pm
LeslieAnn

natalie your brother is doing somersaults around the apt.
5:28 pm
NatLT

lol, he is a big dork
5:29 pm
Rachel

'Cause it's my last name, so on my "who's online" list, it says Rachel Quick....weird
5:29 pm
hurshy

my husband's undergrad thesis in russian literature was about neo-something-or-other and this journal called lef
5:29 pm
Quick

I have no idea. It just came to me. Couldn't think of anything else, I guess.
5:29 pm
NatLT

wow, i am not sure I oculd read that and understand anything he was talking about, he must be super smart :)
5:30 pm
hurshy

it was just boring
5:30 pm
LeslieAnn

tp i think we are at exactly the same point
5:31 pm
hurshy

i'm pondering tp, trying to remember or re-figure
5:31 pm
Quick

you mean "Quick" is your last name?
5:31 pm
LeslieAnn

yep, i have exactly the same grid as you at this point
5:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

tp, did you use a naked quad in the right middle set?
5:32 pm
Quick

I'm trying to go back and read the log to find some helpful hints. It takes concentration.
5:33 pm
TP17

I don't think I did
5:33 pm
LeslieAnn

caff, do you mean if the 3X3's had numbers, the 6th grid? i only have four open spots there
5:35 pm
mamabear

can someone explain to me this "naked quad" and "naked pair" concept again please?
5:35 pm
TP17

sure
5:36 pm
hurshy

golly gee i did it earlier today you'd think i'd find it faster
5:36 pm
TP17

if you have 2 boxes in a given row, column or 3x3 grid.... that you know can ONLY contain 2 possible numbers....
then you can safely eliminate those two numbers from the rest of the respective row, column or 3x3 grid
5:37 pm
TP17

and it works with 3 boxes of ONLY 3 possible candidates, 4 boxes of ONLY 4 possible candidates....etc
5:37 pm
mamabear

Thanks TP 17.... I think I got it (for today, this moment anyway... maybe when I actually USE the concept, it will cement it into memory) Thank you!
5:38 pm
TP17

my pleasure
5:41 pm
hurshy

ah, you need to do another thing bottom right first
5:41 pm
hurshy

with the idea i was mentioning
5:42 pm
hurshy

tell me if you see it, tp
5:42 pm
TP17

hrmmmm
5:42 pm
hurshy

the 9's in the right section of the grid...
5:43 pm
TP17

yeah, I see it
5:43 pm
LeslieAnn

but there is a 9 in the bottom righthand grid, middle column...
5:43 pm
hurshy

yes, leslie, and there ought not to be
5:43 pm
hurshy

because...
5:43 pm
TP17

yep, it can't possibly go there
5:44 pm
hurshy

that should clear some things up and eventually have ramifications for the upper left
5:44 pm
hurshy

you see why leslie?
5:45 pm
LeslieAnn

oh crap yes i do. thanks hurshy
5:46 pm
hurshy

yup
5:46 pm
hurshy

logic, logic, logic... logic is the beginning of wisdom, valeris, not the end.
5:46 pm
hurshy

a surprising statement from the lips of...
5:48 pm
ashling

spock
5:48 pm
hurshy

yay!
5:48 pm
hurshy

i was hoping some fellow trek fan would be here.
5:49 pm
ashling

*grins* :) I'm not that big of a fan, actually. But i've seen some :)
5:49 pm
hurshy

well of course that movie is the apex of all trek-dom
5:49 pm
hurshy

trek at its finest
5:49 pm
TP17

done!
5:49 pm
TP17

you the man, Hurshy!
5:49 pm
hurshy

yay!!
5:50 pm
hurshy

no no i girlie
5:50 pm
TP17

sorry, that's what I meant!
5:50 pm
hurshy

boys have cooties
5:50 pm
NatLT

lol, hurshy, yes they do
5:50 pm
TP17

haha
5:50 pm
TP17

yes we do
5:50 pm
hurshy

lol
5:50 pm
TP17

Thanks for the help everybody.... see you tomorrow
5:51 pm
hurshy

adios, au revoir, siyonara
5:51 pm
ashling

auf wiedersehen?
5:51 pm
hurshy

in lawrence welk it was the german one but i was afraid i would spell it wrong
5:51 pm
mamabear

I DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
5:51 pm
hurshy

for some reason as a toddler i had bad taste in music and loved lawrence welk
5:52 pm
hurshy

YAY MAMA!!!!
5:52 pm
hurshy

you can't spell japanese wrong since it is only transliterated anyway
5:52 pm
mamabear

THANK YOU SO MUCH HURSHY & TP 17...... it takes some patience, but it can be done!
5:52 pm
hurshy

exactly what i always say, mama.
5:52 pm
hurshy

and you're welcome.
5:53 pm
hurshy

leslie, are you almost there?
5:53 pm
ashling

I kind of find this one labeled as 'hard' easier than the 'easy' one from yesterday (or the day before, can't recall)
5:54 pm
ashling

well easier as in... i have more numbers written in...
5:54 pm
LeslieAnn

i imagine i will, but am having aforementioned computer problems... currently waiting for the grid to reload
5:54 pm
hurshy

there are always flukes in the firing of individual people's neurons, but really, i do believe yesterday's was easier
5:54 pm
NatLT

make nick fix it :)
5:54 pm
hurshy

i mean, objectively.
5:55 pm
hurshy

ashling, by that you mean you have most of the middle section, perhaps?
5:55 pm
hurshy

because yes, that section is very easy, but then it gets harder.
5:55 pm
ashling

yes? ... oh
5:55 pm
ashling

sad
5:55 pm
hurshy

however, it's nothing a little careful logic can't get you through.
5:56 pm
LeslieAnn

oh no way... he has been swearing at comcast for like three days straight... don't want to bring that up again
5:56 pm
NatLT

hahaha, yeah that would be bad
5:56 pm
LeslieAnn

it's just loading super-slow... crap... now i have red x's on every grid piece
5:56 pm
NatLT

I know how he gets with technology problems that he has no control over
5:57 pm
NatLT

what does that mean? the red x's
5:57 pm
hurshy

that it's having trouble loading the number graphics
5:57 pm
NatLT

ah
5:57 pm
hurshy

or any graphic if it were some other place
5:58 pm
btwrt

darnall. i was almost done and then caught a glitch and went back to a (very previous) checkpoint. i must have made a mistake in my possibles
5:58 pm
hurshy

leslie, you said you were at the same place as TP before, so maybe use that link to the partly done puzzle and work it out on paper from there, and hope you can enter it later?
5:59 pm
mamabear

hurshy..... can I ask you another question?
5:59 pm
hurshy

of course mama
6:00 pm
mamabear

OK... If you are just starting out and you put in all the obvious numbers.. and then do all your possibles in every square, do you ALWAYS end up with a square with only one possible number in it to begin from?
6:00 pm
LeslieAnn

yeah, i know where i can start, i figured that out, so hopefully when this loads i can get done as quickly as tp
6:00 pm
hurshy

well that is hard to answer exactly mama
6:01 pm
hurshy

i mean, yes, if you don't miss anything
6:01 pm
mamabear

LeslieAnn - if I can finish this one, anyone can!!!!
6:01 pm
hurshy

it won't necessarily be right when you have just put in the possibles.
6:01 pm
mamabear

How can you eliminate anything then?
6:01 pm
hurshy

you might have to apply some logic to the possibles.
6:02 pm
hurshy

you find some self-contained groups, or things that have to be in certain columns, and somewhere you do end up with something that is just one left that it can be.
6:03 pm
hurshy

so it depends what you mean by "after you've done everything obvious"
6:03 pm
mamabear

I am more inclined to keep doing these puzzles now. After yesterday I was about to give up, but I hate to give up on anything that is conquerable!!!!
6:03 pm
hurshy

obvious is a relative term
6:03 pm
hurshy

there are only a few principles, mama, so if you have mastered them now, you can do any grid with care and patience.
6:03 pm
mamabear

By "obvious" I mean squares that can be nothing other than one number based on the blue boxes given
6:04 pm
hurshy

then, no, you won't necessarily have just one in some square at first. you may have to use more logic to get one.
6:04 pm
mamabear

How is the Babble grid today? I haven't looked at it since the flip.
6:04 pm
hurshy

only 80, very pretty
6:04 pm
hurshy

too small for a weekend grid
6:04 pm
LeslieAnn

patience... that's where i go wrong
6:04 pm
NatLT

it not bad, it was the first one I ever finished
6:04 pm
hurshy

but nice words
6:04 pm
LeslieAnn

yay nat!
6:05 pm
NatLT

thanks leslie :)
6:05 pm
mamabear

Ok, then to Babbleonia I go..... thanks again!!!!!
6:05 pm
hurshy

yw, have fun mama
6:05 pm
LeslieAnn

now think of how much farther you would be on your schoolwork if i hadn't introduced you to babble and sudoku
6:05 pm
NatLT

bye mama
6:05 pm
hurshy

how are you guys related?
6:05 pm
NatLT

yeah, but think about how much less fun I would be having
6:05 pm
NatLT

leslie is going to marry my brother
6:06 pm
hurshy

mawige
6:06 pm
NatLT

why? none of us are really sure, but we love her!
6:06 pm
LeslieAnn

wha?
6:06 pm
mamabear

bye NatLT, LeslieAnn & Hurshy......
6:06 pm
hurshy

i don't have any brothers but if i did i would probably not see why anyone wanted to marry him either
6:06 pm
btwrt

mawige is whut bwings us togetha tooday
6:06 pm
LeslieAnn

oh haha, my wha? was in response to hurshy, not nat.
6:06 pm
btwrt

bye mamabear!
6:06 pm
hurshy

mawige, that bwessed awangement
6:06 pm
NatLT

yay princess bride!!!
6:07 pm
hurshy

*vat
6:07 pm
btwrt

that dweam within a dweam
6:07 pm
hurshy

*wiffin
6:07 pm
LeslieAnn

oh good lord, can't believe i missed a princess bride reference... i think it might be a bwessed evwent
6:07 pm
hurshy

:)
6:07 pm
hurshy

no it is awangement
6:07 pm
LeslieAnn

although i find it hilarious that you corrected youself by changing "that" to "vat"
6:07 pm
hurshy

i sat in front of the tv for two days in high school typing up the script myself
6:08 pm
hurshy

i can practically quote every word of that movie.
6:08 pm
NatLT

hello, my name is inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die
6:08 pm
LeslieAnn

oh dear... the only other movie that i can almost quote word for word is clue... with all three endings. of course
6:08 pm
btwrt

wow. i can practically quote it just from watching. .... anybody want a peanut?
6:08 pm
btwrt

oh, clue is awesome
6:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

i LOVE those movies
6:08 pm
LeslieAnn

to make a long story short...
6:08 pm
hurshy

my mom is very... conservative, and she has a knack of walking in on any movie at the most offensive or only offensive moment
6:09 pm
LeslieAnn

TOO LATE!!
6:09 pm
btwrt

oh!! my mom too!
6:09 pm
hurshy

ONE swear word in princess bride and that is when she comes in
6:09 pm
hurshy

lol leslie
6:09 pm
SaintNick

What? What swear word?
6:09 pm
hurshy

i want my father back you son of a ....
6:09 pm
SaintNick

Ohhhh. Female dog?
6:09 pm
hurshy

yes
6:10 pm
LeslieAnn

i would argue that is very much needed there for dramatic effect... but then again, i swear a lot
6:10 pm
hurshy

or when we were watching america's sweethearts, she comes in at the part about hank azaria's ... member... and whether or not it is the size of a roll of quarters
6:11 pm
hurshy

yes, you're probably right leslie.
6:11 pm
hurshy

and i don't swear ever.
6:11 pm
hurshy

the only alternative i can think of would be "you six-fingered freak" or something.
6:11 pm
hurshy

but that would be more funny
6:12 pm
LeslieAnn

right, and you need to balance out the humor in the "my name is..." line
6:12 pm
hurshy

well, i don't really find that line humorous
6:12 pm
btwrt

its true ... because it really IS about revenge, however funny the scenes manage to be
6:12 pm
hurshy

despite the repetition
6:13 pm
btwrt

so i think that line needed the added weight
6:13 pm
hurshy

but the point is, HOW DOES SHE DO IT?
6:14 pm
LeslieAnn

right, let's not lose sight of the point, hurshy's mom's unfortunate psychic abilities
6:14 pm
hurshy

lol
6:14 pm
btwrt

it's just murphy's law
6:14 pm
hurshy

i do not think i like murphy.
6:14 pm
hurshy

he makes bad laws.
6:14 pm
LeslieAnn

yeah, he's a jerk
6:14 pm
btwrt

yeah. illogical ones
6:15 pm
LeslieAnn

or a b****... see, hurshy, sometimes you need it
6:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

i think it's the pessimist law, anyway
6:15 pm
hurshy

if you like clue, have you seen "murder by death"?
6:15 pm
NatLT

I think I am stuck :(
6:15 pm
btwrt

and here on ironsudoku, illogic is our enemy (or should it be, illogicalness)
6:15 pm
btwrt

i haven't seen that one
6:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

i've heard of it
6:15 pm
hurshy

i think just illogic
6:15 pm
LeslieAnn

i haven't either, but the name sounds like fun
6:15 pm
hurshy

it is VERY funny, although the ending leaves something to be desired.
6:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

movies like that make me twitchy.
6:15 pm
hurshy

nat, you are NOT stuck, you only THINK you are stuck.
6:16 pm
hurshy

i saw it last night, it is a spoof of mystery movies.
6:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

with bad endings, or lame endings, or an ending that seems not to finish the story properly
6:16 pm
NatLT

I am struggling with this one
6:16 pm
LeslieAnn

ok ladies (i think the boys are gone) i'd love to stay but i am very hungry. may be back later.
6:16 pm
hurshy

bye leslie
6:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

bye!
6:16 pm
NatLT

bye lil leslie
6:17 pm
hurshy

murder by death brings together five famous detectives... jessica marbles, monsieur perrier, sam diamond, mr. wong, and dick & dora charleston
6:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

hahaha. anyone seen any of the thin man movies?
6:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

'dick and dora' reminded me of that
6:18 pm
hurshy

right, they are spoofs of nick and nora charles, but i haven't seen the thin man stuff.
6:18 pm
hurshy

and mr wong was a spoof of charlie chan
6:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

you might really like it if you like murder mysteries and spoofs of them
6:19 pm
hurshy

sam diamond= sam spade
6:19 pm
btwrt

and poirot, right?
6:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol
6:19 pm
hurshy

and then agatha christie's jane marple and, yes, poirot
6:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

miss marple
6:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

whoops, you already said her
6:19 pm
hurshy

all complete with sidekicks, although miss marple didn't really have a sidekick
6:19 pm
btwrt

hercule poirot. such a great name
6:20 pm
caffeinatedelf

i always wnodered if inspector clouseau was supposed to be like a spoof on poirot
6:20 pm
caffeinatedelf

ACK. *wondered
6:20 pm
btwrt

miss marple was always kind of creepy to me
6:20 pm
hurshy

i was disappointed they spoofed georges as poirot's sidekick rather than hastings.
6:20 pm
hurshy

why miss marple creepy?
6:20 pm
btwrt

just ... wandering around figuring out horrible murders without ever talking to anybody until the last minute about what she found out
6:21 pm
hurshy

but she explained why that was her policy.
6:21 pm
hurshy

it would be very wrong to point suspicion at someone unless you were sure.
6:21 pm
btwrt

yeah ... i just found her to be a creepy character
6:21 pm
hurshy

i LOVE her.
6:21 pm
btwrt

the ones with sidekicks - you at least feel they get some interaction
6:21 pm
btwrt

lol i'm sorry
6:21 pm
caffeinatedelf

it kind of makes her seem sneaky and like she peeks and plots without involving anyone else, lol
6:22 pm
hurshy

yeah but poirot always makes fun of hastings and tortures him and won't help him see what's going on
6:22 pm
caffeinatedelf

although i do like her myself
6:22 pm
hurshy

so he's really the same way
6:22 pm
btwrt

plus ... investigating murders would creep me out (always old houses with weird people in them) ... i just couldn't do it by myself
6:22 pm
hurshy

well yes
6:22 pm
hurshy

but the great thing about agatha christie is that you don't feel like it is real
6:22 pm
btwrt

but poirot always seemed to have some humor and wit about him that warmed me to his character
6:22 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's true - all good murder-solvers do so on their own. the sidekicks are only there to provide comic relief or show just how clever the investigator really is
6:23 pm
hurshy

you never feel as if miss marple or poirot is in danger
6:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's true, hurshy
6:23 pm
btwrt

i shouldn't even be talking about it anyway, it's been so long since i've read all those books i've probably forgotten pertinent character points
6:23 pm
hurshy

that is what is diff about mrs. pollifax, who i am reading now
6:23 pm
hurshy

although she is also a spy, not a detective
6:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

who writes her?
6:23 pm
hurshy

dorothy gilman
6:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

never heard of gilman before! i will have to put something on my amazon list so i don't forget
6:24 pm
hurshy

but those do feel more real, there is real danger.
6:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

can you recommend one for me?
6:24 pm
btwrt

where you from, hurshy? (curiosity, since we know all the same things)
6:24 pm
hurshy

the first in the series is the unexpected mrs. pollifax.
6:24 pm
hurshy

i am from new england.
6:24 pm
hurshy

have lived in MA, RI, and CT.
6:24 pm
btwrt

ahh ok :)
6:25 pm
hurshy

and you?
6:25 pm
btwrt

grew up in MI, but i'm in FL now
6:25 pm
hurshy

FL scary.
6:25 pm
hurshy

reptiles.
6:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

i'm still in MI. WAHH :(
6:25 pm
btwrt

*coughs*REDNECKS*coughs*
6:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

i miss my sister
6:25 pm
hurshy

who redneck? everyone but FL?
6:26 pm
hurshy

but hands down, best mystery writer is dorothy sayers.
6:26 pm
btwrt

yes! but i see you in ... 5 weeks 2 days
6:26 pm
caffeinatedelf

yes okay fine. :)
6:26 pm
btwrt

no ... not necessarily all FL, but the area i am in is predominently redneck :P
6:26 pm
caffeinatedelf

hurshy, i think she meant FL people, around where she lives, lol
6:26 pm
hurshy

OH, i see.
6:26 pm
hurshy

do you guys like sayers?
6:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

never read her, but i've heard lots about her
6:27 pm
hurshy

SO great.
6:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

i love agatha christie and nero wolfe
6:27 pm
hurshy

not as many books as christie of course.
6:27 pm
btwrt

i actually don't think i've read ... caffein you put this stuff on your amazon list, and i will consult it
6:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

ok
6:27 pm
hurshy

dorothy sayers has such great character development and such depth and stuff, that you don't mind reading it again even when you totally remember whodunnit
6:28 pm
btwrt

i have been on an old sci-fi kick lately, reading asimov, norton, clarke ... the ollld stuff
6:28 pm
caffeinatedelf

i need to read my norton again
6:28 pm
hurshy

asimov also did some detective stories - the black widows?
6:28 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh! did you ever read ender's game?
6:28 pm
btwrt

i finally finished the 15 or so books i bought myself for my b-day so now i have ... 27 books coming ... haha, then i have to wait a while before i buy more
6:28 pm
hurshy

nope
6:28 pm
btwrt

i don't remember. prolly.
6:29 pm
caffeinatedelf

it's by orson scott card. very good! scifi, but i think ppl who don't necessarily like scifi could really enjoy it
6:29 pm
hurshy

it is funny, i am a huge trek fan, and like star wars a lot, but never got into much other sci-fi.
6:29 pm
caffeinatedelf

i never read that 'black widows' book, hurshy. it must not have been at the library when i was on my asimov kick several years ago
6:29 pm
hurshy

it's not a book
6:30 pm
hurshy

it's a series of short stories he published in magazines
6:30 pm
caffeinatedelf

short stories?
6:30 pm
hurshy

some are collected in books now
6:30 pm
caffeinatedelf

ah! that's probably why. i never used to like short stories, but i do now.
6:30 pm
caffeinatedelf

'nother one for the list
6:30 pm
hurshy

this group of men who call themselves black widows meet once a month and one of them brings a guest
6:30 pm
hurshy

and the guest tells them some unsolved thing he knows of
6:30 pm
hurshy

and they try to solve it.
6:31 pm
hurshy

all kinds of things, not all murders and stuff.
6:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

ooh, how fascinating
6:31 pm
hurshy

invariably, their waiter, henry, comes up with the real solution.
6:32 pm
btwrt

that sounds cool!
6:32 pm
hurshy

yeah, they are fun.
6:32 pm
hurshy

one of MY sisters does not like to read.
6:32 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol. sounds like they ought to give henry a raise
6:32 pm
hurshy

it is a shame.
6:33 pm
caffeinatedelf

aw. that is sad, the not reading
6:33 pm
btwrt

my husband doesn't read
6:33 pm
hurshy

my dad doesn't either
6:33 pm
hurshy

my other sister reads some but is not very widely read yet
6:33 pm
caffeinatedelf

my sister-in-law here in MI was slightly dyslexic in school, so she doesn't read much; it's hard for her
6:33 pm
hurshy

not that i am an expert in world literature or anything.
6:34 pm
btwrt

we grew up with no television, so we always read a lot, as a family
6:34 pm
hurshy

my sister is just to social to read, she always wants to be around people
6:34 pm
hurshy

*too
6:34 pm
hurshy

we grew up with tv but no cable - so still lots of time to read :)
6:34 pm
btwrt

lol yeah really ;)
6:35 pm
hurshy

she hated working on her masters' bc she had to read so much
6:35 pm
hurshy

is it masters' or master's? master's.
6:36 pm
hurshy

unless multiple.
6:36 pm
hurshy

people, not degrees.
6:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

i think you are correct
6:36 pm
hurshy

yes.
6:36 pm
hurshy

i mostly do tend to be correct. :)
6:36 pm
hurshy

lol
6:36 pm
btwrt

hee hee
6:37 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol!! i am the same way! :D
6:37 pm
btwrt

i was just gonna say that ...
6:37 pm
hurshy

my dad has funny buttons that say things like, "everyone is entitled to my opinion"
6:37 pm
hurshy

and "those who think they know it all really annoy those of us who do"
6:37 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol!!
6:37 pm
hurshy

and "i mostly find that people who disagree with me are wrong"
6:38 pm
btwrt

i want to get that thinkgeek shirt that says 'i see dumb people'
6:38 pm
hurshy

lol
6:38 pm
btwrt

but they do not yet make it in babydoll size
6:38 pm
caffeinatedelf

i want so many great tshirts
6:38 pm
caffeinatedelf

yeah, that fit is better
6:39 pm
hurshy

you must be small people
6:39 pm
btwrt

haha no
6:39 pm
caffeinatedelf

not really
6:39 pm
hurshy

i am 5'10"
6:39 pm
caffeinatedelf

it's more shaped, so it looks good on curves
6:39 pm
btwrt

i just like the way they make the babydolls, fitted to those who have curves. the regular t-shirts get tight in all the wrong places.
6:39 pm
hurshy

oh i mostly wear things that hide my curves.
6:39 pm
caffeinatedelf

i used to do that too
6:39 pm
hurshy

i have to, i live at a boys' boarding high school.
6:40 pm
btwrt

i've been doing that since i gave birth ... 17 months ago lol
6:40 pm
caffeinatedelf

eek
6:40 pm
hurshy

i wouldn't want them looking at me like...
6:40 pm
btwrt

oh wow, i see
6:40 pm
caffeinatedelf

what kind of boys' school is it?
6:40 pm
hurshy

um, what do you mean?
6:41 pm
hurshy

what categories do you have in mind?
6:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

is it a regular public high school, or does it have a special name? i'm kind of lacking in that area of knowledge ;)
6:41 pm
hurshy

it is a private school.
6:41 pm
hurshy

i don't think there are public boarding schools.
6:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

i bet you have some nice grounds, then, being up in new england
6:42 pm
David Mitchell

There's a military boarding school in my town, but co-ed
6:42 pm
hurshy

well, yes, but we are all built on the side of a hill, so there is a lot of climbing.
6:42 pm
hurshy

and we are not rich so the grounds are not that well-kept.
6:42 pm
btwrt

that's good for boys. wears them out.
6:42 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol
6:42 pm
hurshy

not like williams, everything was perfect there.
6:42 pm
hurshy

they didn't even allow mosquitos on campus.
6:42 pm
caffeinatedelf

LOL
6:43 pm
hurshy

SERIOUSLY, i never got bit on campus, and as soon as i would walk off campus and out into town, mosquitos everywhere.
6:43 pm
hurshy

it was amazing.
6:43 pm
btwrt

its so nice when they spray for those. they spray my apartment for bugs ... around the windows and walls ands tuff, and i get zero bugs
6:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

some nice summer camps/conference centers do that with their grounds too
6:44 pm
hurshy

and whenever anything went wrong, it always got fixed really fast...
6:44 pm
btwrt

did youth haven do that?
6:44 pm
hurshy

how i miss williams.
6:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

only sometimes, btwrt
6:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

only when important board members were going to be there, lol!
6:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

stinkers.
6:45 pm
btwrt

haha
6:45 pm
hurshy

i must try this spray, what is it, btwrt, just raid?
6:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

where is williams?
6:45 pm
hurshy

willams is in williamstown, MA, northwest corner of the state, next to NY and VT
6:45 pm
David Mitchell

I am SO missing something..
6:45 pm
btwrt

i have no idea ... the apartment complex does it for us once a month. i could ask next time, but they always catch me in my pajamas and noah covered in banana or whatever he's eating
6:45 pm
hurshy

about williams, or bugs, david?
6:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

or the puzzle?
6:45 pm
hurshy

oh yes, the puzzle!
6:47 pm
caffeinatedelf

brb, gotta feed my kids
6:47 pm
btwrt

oh yay, husband finally wants dinner, i haven't eaten all day. i'm making ... sun dried tomato alfredo, and green beans, and garlic toast
6:47 pm
btwrt

so, brb as well
6:47 pm
David Mitchell

The puzzle, yes
6:48 pm
hurshy

ooh, yummy
6:49 pm
hurshy

david, i need to eat to, but can i help?
6:49 pm
hurshy

at what point are you stuck?
6:49 pm
Psycho_Puppy

:( I was on a roll, stopped to go to work and now I can't get back on track. Sucks.
6:49 pm
hurshy

filled in most of middle, lots of green everywhere else?
6:50 pm
hurshy

ugh, i keep dropping an o off too
6:50 pm
rosybifocals

(that's where i'm at! i've messed up 3 times now and had to go back...)
6:50 pm
hurshy

oh, everyone who is at that point listen up :)
6:50 pm
hurshy

examine the five boxes on the edge of the grid in the lower right corner
6:51 pm
hurshy

how many different numbers do your possibles contain in those boxes?
6:51 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Haha! Five! Haven't even started that side yet!
6:51 pm
rosybifocals

the most is 5, in the corner of the corner
6:52 pm
rosybifocals

(i may be totally off though ...!)
6:52 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay, looking at it...two.
6:52 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Thanks hursh!
6:52 pm
hurshy

rosy, the point is how many different numbers in those five boxes. which is five.
6:52 pm
hurshy

4,5,6,7,9. right?
6:53 pm
rosybifocals

yes!
6:53 pm
hurshy

each box has some or all of those.
6:53 pm
rosybifocals

yep....
6:53 pm
hurshy

ok, so if those five boxes cannot hold anything else, then they MUST hold those numbers, which will use all of them up, and thus they CANNOT go anywhere else in that group.
6:53 pm
rosybifocals

oooohhhhhhhh
6:54 pm
rosybifocals

i'd hug you if i could, hurshy! =)
6:54 pm
hurshy

after you work out the ramifications of that, consider the placement of the 9 possibles in the right side of the grid.
6:54 pm
hurshy

you can, rosy, like this (((rosy)))
6:54 pm
rosybifocals

well then.... (((((((((((((((((((hurshy))))))))))))))))))))
))
6:54 pm
rosybifocals

=)
6:55 pm
hurshy

*hurshy is knocked to the ground*
6:55 pm
rosybifocals

whoops!
6:55 pm
rosybifocals

thanks again! =)
6:55 pm
hurshy

yw
6:55 pm
hurshy

don't forget, 9's on the right next.
6:55 pm
rosybifocals

got it!
6:55 pm
hurshy

the ramifications of that will eventually impact your upper left group. and from there it's smooth sailing, really.
6:56 pm
ashling

ok i accept the fact that this one is not as easy as i thought and now i'm stuck ;D
6:56 pm
hurshy

david, you asked about things in the first place, is any of this helping you?
6:56 pm
hurshy

ashling, have you been reading what we've just been discussing?
6:56 pm
ashling

yes but i don't quite get it ;)
6:57 pm
hurshy

the principle, or you don't have the situation i described?
6:57 pm
ashling

i understand if you have two numbers taht repeat in 2 boxes in a group and only those numbers are there they can't go anywhere else.
6:57 pm
hurshy

well that principle applies whether it is 2 or 3 or whatever.
6:58 pm
ashling

but i've run ou of those kind of things and i have a couple of ofthers that are like.. 123 12 13
6:58 pm
hurshy

any self-contained group.
6:58 pm
hurshy

yes, that is a self-contained group.
6:58 pm
hurshy

those boxes must contain 1,2,3, so none of those can go anywhere else. you can't fill THOSE boxes yet, but you can use them to eliminate possibles from other boxes.
6:59 pm
hurshy

i mean anywhere else in their row or group or whatever, not ANYWHERE else, of course.
6:59 pm
hurshy

if the rest of that row is filled anyway, you must work somewhere else and those will come later.
7:00 pm
hurshy

is the principle clear or not?
7:00 pm
ashling

it is
7:00 pm
hurshy

ok, and did you look at the five edge boxes in the lower right corner?
7:01 pm
ashling

five edge boxes?
7:01 pm
hurshy

the boxes in the lower right group that are on the edge of the grid.
7:01 pm
hurshy

how many total different possibles are in those boxes?
7:01 pm
terfle

dang, two boxes left and there was a contradiction
7:02 pm
ashling

four
7:02 pm
ashling

five i mean
7:02 pm
hurshy

phew, yes, five.
7:02 pm
hurshy

fraid you had an error for a minute.
7:02 pm
hurshy

ok, so five boxes, five numbers.
7:02 pm
hurshy

that means...
7:02 pm
ashling

that those numbers cannot go in the other four ones?
7:03 pm
hurshy

EXACTLY
7:03 pm
ashling

Oohh
7:03 pm
ashling

clever
7:03 pm
hurshy

logical
7:03 pm
hurshy

next consider the placement of the 9 possibles in the whole right section of the grid.
7:04 pm
hurshy

where can they go in the middle right group?
7:04 pm
ashling

the number nine you mean?
7:04 pm
hurshy

yes
7:05 pm
hurshy

sorry i was unclear
7:05 pm
ashling

oh they can only go on the middle that means that i can eliminate it from the bottom bit... i think?
7:05 pm
hurshy

yes indeedy
7:05 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol none of this is making sense to me, but your earlier clue did the trick hurshy. Am nearly done now!
7:05 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Just needed to start the ball rolling before my brain woke up!
7:05 pm
Psycho_Puppy

So thanks.
7:05 pm
hurshy

yw
7:06 pm
ashling

ok going to go from there now :D thanks
7:06 pm
hurshy

ashling, now the ramifications will eventually impact your upper left corner, and with one more bit of logic there about something that can only go in a certain column, you'll be fine
7:06 pm
hurshy

david mitchell???
7:07 pm
hurshy

what happened to you?
7:07 pm
ashling

ok :)
7:07 pm
hurshy

:)
7:07 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Did you finish hurshy? Did you take a screen shot? Or is this all from memory?
7:08 pm
hurshy

i finished this morning, i did take a screen shot at the end, but of course that doesn't help, the steps are from memory
7:08 pm
hurshy

the screen shot only helps people who don't really want to learn how to do it
7:08 pm
Psycho_Puppy

How long did it take you?
7:08 pm
hurshy

who are guessing and just want to know, am i right that the 8 goes here?
7:08 pm
hurshy

oh, i don't know puppy, maybe half an hour?
7:08 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol awesome.
7:09 pm
hurshy

i have spent much MORE time rehashing it for other people than i did doing it.
7:09 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Doesn't surprise me!
7:10 pm
hurshy

this was a very memorable one with the self-contained group of five, so not that impressive that i remember.
7:10 pm
hurshy

it's so rare to get a self-contained group of more than 3.
7:10 pm
hurshy

i mean that helps you.
7:11 pm
hurshy

of course you get self contained groups where the rest of the row is filled.
7:11 pm
hurshy

anywho... i suppose if david mitchell is not going to surface again, and everyone else is set, i'll get some dinner now
7:11 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol okay, you star.
7:11 pm
hurshy

i am no star
7:11 pm
ashling

thanks again
7:12 pm
hurshy

yw ashling, no prob
7:12 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Well, you're pretty patient and you're clear, and obviously good at this, so = star to me.
7:12 pm
hurshy

see y'all later :)
7:12 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Enjoy your dinner.
7:12 pm
hurshy

well thank you puppy :)
7:34 pm
LeslieAnn

uh oh hurshy's gone and i'm still stuck... anyone else around to help??
7:34 pm
caffeinatedelf

crap. i'm stuck too, lol
7:34 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol I would help but I have no idea how to give clues without being obvious. Also mine might be wrong!
7:35 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Nearly there though, I think.
7:35 pm
LeslieAnn

i got the 6 in the bottom right, then did a few more things, now i'm stuck again
7:35 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol I did that!
7:35 pm
LeslieAnn

hursh said something about being able to figure out something in the top left grid, but i can't figure that part out
7:35 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Work out what can go in the two boxes to the left of the six, and that'll tell you where to put the next number in the left hand box.
7:36 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol I've just done that bit.
7:36 pm
LeslieAnn

i have 4/7 for both...
7:39 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Exactly.
7:39 pm
Psycho_Puppy

So what's the other number for the bottom line?
7:40 pm
LeslieAnn

i have 5/9 in two other boxes
7:41 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay. Do what Hursh said with the bottom right hand box and work out which numbers can't go round the edge.
7:41 pm
Psycho_Puppy

What numbers do you have in the bottom right already?
7:42 pm
LeslieAnn

right, got that, the edge 4579 and two inside 13
7:42 pm
Psycho_Puppy

You have 2,4,5,7,9 round the edge? (Not in that order)
7:42 pm
LeslieAnn

er, i mean i have the 8,2,6 in place
7:42 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay.
7:43 pm
Psycho_Puppy

And 1/3 inside?
7:43 pm
LeslieAnn

yup
7:43 pm
Psycho_Puppy

In the bottom middle box, what numbers do you have?
7:44 pm
LeslieAnn

all but the 4/7 (in column 3)
7:45 pm
Psycho_Puppy

So you need 1,3,5 and 9 in the bottom right hand corner?
7:45 pm
LeslieAnn

uh huh and 4,7 as well
7:46 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay but you know the number four and seven have to go to the left of the six in the bottom box.
7:47 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol this is so hard to explain without just saying it! I can't remember how I reached half the conclusions I've come to!
7:47 pm
LeslieAnn

but they are in separate 3x3 grids, so, say to the left of the 6 is a four, the 7 will be in column 3, and vice versa
7:48 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Hmm. Tryna remember this! I only did it a minute ago!
7:48 pm
LeslieAnn

haha i appreciate it :)
7:50 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay, so the bottom line MUST be four and seven.
7:51 pm
Psycho_Puppy

And down the right hand side of the bottom right MUST be 4,5,7 and 9...right?
7:51 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Or...not and. 4,5,7 or9...
7:53 pm
LeslieAnn

what i have, left to right, top to bottom, is: 8, 2, 4/5/7, 1/3, 1/3, 7/9, 4/7, 6, 5/9
7:54 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Okay, well I'm still working on mine, but that's what I have too, so I think that's right.
7:54 pm
LeslieAnn

well all right then! glad we cleared this all up ;)
7:55 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol, I'm sorry! If I put my email addy up, do you wanna send me a screenshot, and I'll see if I can remember what I did?
7:56 pm
LeslieAnn

nah, i *think* i can work through it :)
7:56 pm
Psycho_Puppy

=( Where's hursh when ya need a cat?
7:56 pm
LeslieAnn

exactly
7:57 pm
ashling

eating :)
7:58 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Yayayayyyy done it!
7:58 pm
LeslieAnn

congrats puppy!
7:59 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Lol.
7:59 pm
caffeinatedelf

i CANNOT get this worked out the way you (leslie and puppy) are doing it
7:59 pm
Psycho_Puppy

That's 'cause I suck at explaining. :( x-x-x Sorry.
8:00 pm
LeslieAnn

caff, did you do the 5-edge thing in the bottom right?
8:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

i put in the numbers that leslie said for her bottom right 3x3
8:00 pm
LeslieAnn

well then you're as far as me!! :)
8:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

assuming that when you said the middle column, bottom row, is a 6, you meant there are no other numbers in there
8:02 pm
LeslieAnn

the 6 i was talking about is the second-to-last box, if you were going left-right, top-to bottom
8:02 pm
caffeinatedelf

yup
8:03 pm
LeslieAnn

that's because, if you had a 6/9, the box above only has 9's in the middle column, so the bottom grid couldn't have that 9 in the middle column
8:04 pm
caffeinatedelf

this makes sense
8:04 pm
caffeinatedelf

:) i have been doing this all day and my head is starting to be upset with me
8:05 pm
LeslieAnn

no kidding, i thought i could finish, but may just get to the point where i guess
8:05 pm
btwrt

i am baaack
8:06 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Wb.
8:06 pm
btwrt

thx :)
8:16 pm
helenkeller

hey everyone, how's it going? hey leslie
8:16 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Are you guys gettin' anywhere now?
8:16 pm
btwrt

i just came back from dinner so now i have to get my head back in the game ;)
8:16 pm
helenkeller

hurshy - are you here? i am ready to continue our race :)
8:17 pm
Psycho_Puppy

Hurshy is eating.
8:17 pm
helenkeller

ah, that means i get a head start - unless, of course, she was done hours & hours ago! thx pups
8:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

sorry helen, she WAS done hours and hours ago
8:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

but she's been helping all of us :)
8:18 pm
helenkeller

that figures
8:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

i think i need a bottle of wine. i am getting super frustrated!!
8:18 pm
helenkeller

great, & now you guys can help lil ol' me
8:19 pm
LeslieAnn

hi helen... i'm just about to the guessing part of the puzzle
8:19 pm
btwrt

don't you mean ... a GLASS of wine?
8:19 pm
helenkeller

i have a glass of red - leftover from my little shindig last night & also leftover steak, i'm ready
8:20 pm
caffeinatedelf

...no.
8:20 pm
LeslieAnn

lol
8:20 pm
btwrt

i sit corrected
8:20 pm
helenkeller

uh-oh les, that doesn't sound good - been at it long?
8:20 pm
helenkeller

lol bt
8:20 pm
caffeinatedelf

unfortunately, i only had the barest dribble left in the bottle in the fridge... so durnit, no getting drunk and screwing up my game even more!
8:20 pm
raerae7133

alas
8:20 pm
raerae7133

<-- trying again
8:21 pm
helenkeller

caff- allow me to do that for both of us
8:21 pm
caffeinatedelf

although NOW, i want to break my diet and eat all my chocolate and doritos because i AM SO FRUSTRATED.
8:21 pm
btwrt

do it for me, too!
8:21 pm
LeslieAnn

helen, you're so kind
8:21 pm
caffeinatedelf

go for it, helen! :D
8:21 pm
raerae7133

I have an almost full bottle of 100-proof so-co in the fridge. I could get smashed something fierce with that
8:21 pm
LeslieAnn

ew, not at the same time, i hope, caff
8:21 pm
helenkeller

hic
8:21 pm
caffeinatedelf

i have a peculiar set of tastebuds, maybe
8:22 pm
btwrt

i ate all my doritos this morning so i wouldn't be tempted to eat them tonight. haHA
8:22 pm
raerae7133

I'm more hungry than I am thirsty though ;)
8:22 pm
raerae7133

btwrt, good strategy
8:22 pm
caffeinatedelf

aw. well, all you can do is go out and get more then!
8:22 pm
btwrt

thx :) i know, it's genius
8:22 pm
helenkeller

bt -you are wise
8:22 pm
btwrt

its strange, i'm so wise but i cannot figure out the purely logical puzzle ... hmm
8:23 pm
helenkeller

lol bt
8:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

perhaps you are but wise in the ways of food?
8:23 pm
btwrt

ahh, there you have it. that's the solution.
8:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

*cry* i have just started over, with only btwrt as my companion
8:24 pm
caffeinatedelf

and those doritos are laughing at me from the corner, where they sit on top of my chocolate stash
8:25 pm
raerae7133

I think I'm on the right track
8:25 pm
raerae7133

board is full of greens. But I can feel it. It's so close to completely crumbling. This puzzle will soon rue the day it decided to show up.
8:26 pm
LeslieAnn

that's the spirit, haxored... come back to us when you get stuck again ;)
8:26 pm
raerae7133

Oh ye of little faith
8:26 pm
caffeinatedelf

i thought that three times, haxored. the puzzle is a harsh mistress.
8:27 pm
btwrt

arrr
8:28 pm
caffeinatedelf

arrr?
8:29 pm
helenkeller

i'm drinking as fast as i can & it doesn't seem to be helping - still haven't put in a #!
8:29 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh frell
8:29 pm
btwrt

arr ... this puzzle, she be a harsh mistress
8:29 pm
helenkeller

LOL
8:30 pm
caffeinatedelf

helen - you must drink more. i can't feel a buzz!
8:30 pm
helenkeller

k
8:30 pm
LeslieAnn

this could get dangerous
8:30 pm
caffeinatedelf

you're not driving, are you, helen? safely ensconced at home?
8:31 pm
raerae7133

think about that
8:31 pm
helenkeller

sconced for the night
8:31 pm
raerae7133

hellen keller? drive? hehehe
8:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh SO FUNNY
8:31 pm
helenkeller

hey!
8:31 pm
raerae7133

yeah, I know
8:31 pm
caffeinatedelf

:) it was funny actually
8:32 pm
raerae7133

it would've been funnier had I actually spelled helen right
8:32 pm
helenkeller

i'll have you know my dog is quite the talent
8:32 pm
caffeinatedelf

i must apologize. i am turning into an angry non-drunk. i even ate a tiny piece of chocolate to take the edge off
8:32 pm
raerae7133

have you heard of the game Apples to Apples?
8:32 pm
btwrt

nope
8:32 pm
caffeinatedelf

no
8:33 pm
raerae7133

It's a party game with noun cards and adjective cards
8:33 pm
caffeinatedelf

ooh
8:33 pm
raerae7133

the judge of each round has an adjective card, and the other players give the judge a noun which they think the judge will pick
8:34 pm
raerae7133

sort of a "what fits best with this adjective" type thing
8:34 pm
helenkeller

i don't understand
8:34 pm
LeslieAnn

ok, folks, i think i've got it, but only b/c i started guessing. so, if anyone is stuck on a box, i could give a clue to help...
8:34 pm
raerae7133

Say, the judge has the card for "Hot"
8:34 pm
helenkeller

ohhhh - i get it now
8:34 pm
LeslieAnn

no clues for logic, though, apparently i have none of that
8:34 pm
helenkeller

wheels
8:34 pm
raerae7133

and I have the noun card for "Hiroshima, 1945". I would play that card :)
8:34 pm
caffeinatedelf

soup
8:35 pm
helenkeller

lol caff
8:35 pm
raerae7133

Anyway, I was playing one night, and my adjective was Phony
8:35 pm
LeslieAnn

dog
8:35 pm
helenkeller

baloney
8:35 pm
raerae7133

Guess which card I picked as the winner of that round
8:35 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol!!
8:35 pm
LeslieAnn

sorry, dog was for hot
8:35 pm
raerae7133

Helen Keller
8:35 pm
caffeinatedelf

!
8:35 pm
helenkeller

hey this game is more fun than the puyzzle - let's play this instead - we're much better at it!
8:35 pm
btwrt

??
8:35 pm
helenkeller

huh?
8:35 pm
raerae7133

hehe, no no. Sudoku is the game of the moment
8:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

...i need more chocolate.
8:36 pm
LeslieAnn

are you calling on her, or are you saying helen keller and baloney are related?
8:36 pm
helenkeller

did you just call me a phoney?
8:36 pm
LeslieAnn

uh oh you're in trouble now... i heard she's a mean drunk
8:36 pm
raerae7133

No, this was months ago
8:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

uhoh haxored. you stepped in it now!
8:36 pm
helenkeller

rofl
8:37 pm
btwrt

what about hellen keller is phony?
8:37 pm
helenkeller

* hk hits hax over head with her special cane*
8:37 pm
btwrt

i mean, the actual one ... no offense helenkeller present
8:38 pm
btwrt

or is it the dealers job, in this game, to pick something nobody would expect?
8:38 pm
helenkeller

none taken?
8:38 pm
sellout

Man...I'm havin trouble with this one...
8:38 pm
LeslieAnn

i think haxored with his sore noggin would say differently
8:38 pm
caffeinatedelf

no kidding, sellout
8:39 pm
helenkeller

hax - i guess i still don't get it - how does phoney go with helen keller?
8:40 pm
LeslieAnn

ok, last call before i put in my last number: anyone need one?
8:40 pm
caffeinatedelf

i need most, but i won't trouble you for them :)
8:40 pm
raerae7133

because, imagine that helen keller was a real phoney.
8:40 pm
raerae7133

She fooled EVERYONE
8:40 pm
helenkeller

sure leslie - just about any one would help - you pick
8:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

throw one out from the top left!
8:42 pm
LeslieAnn

middle one is a 5... that should help
8:42 pm
LeslieAnn

middle in the top left grid, that is
8:42 pm
helenkeller

i have that in green ! !! !
8:42 pm
caffeinatedelf

middlemost number? the one in the center of that grid?
8:43 pm
helenkeller

caff has contact high now
8:43 pm
btwrt

lol
8:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

whee! thank you helen!
8:43 pm
btwrt

it don't take much
8:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

let me know when i ought to put the lampshade on my head. i'd hate to miss that part!
8:43 pm
helenkeller

lol - my pleasure
8:44 pm
helenkeller

you're right caff - that is the best part
8:44 pm
helenkeller

thx leslie -have a great evening
8:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

(((leslie)))
8:44 pm
LeslieAnn

caff, in the top left 3x3 grid, the middle number is a 5. so, second row, second column
8:45 pm
LeslieAnn

hope everyone has a lampshade before night's end!
8:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's what i thought. thank you! :D
8:45 pm
raerae7133

I have a shirt titled "Communist Party"
8:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

daring!
8:45 pm
raerae7133

on it, Karl Marx is wearing a lampshade on his head
8:45 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh, HAHAHA.
8:46 pm
hurshy

hax, you were talking about apples to apples before weren't you
8:46 pm
helenkeller

leslie - there's one here with your name on it - has those fringy balls around it too
8:46 pm
caffeinatedelf

next time i will wait for the punchline before i say something about the joke ;)
8:46 pm
raerae7133

hurshy, yes
8:46 pm
hurshy

if i had been here, i would have understood
8:46 pm
caffeinatedelf

hurshy! yay!
8:46 pm
raerae7133

Ahh
8:47 pm
raerae7133

Good :)
8:47 pm
btwrt

w00t its hurshy
8:47 pm
hurshy

i mean, i understand now. but you could have used someone who understood at the time, methinks. oh, i get a yay :)
8:47 pm
hurshy

oh my what a reception
8:47 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh hurshy it hs been terrible without you. :)
8:47 pm
helenkeller

lol hax ---- hiya hursh - i understand you went ahead & started (& finished) without me
8:47 pm
hurshy

well btwrt, i just talked with my sister on the phone and SHE guessed buttwart too.
8:47 pm
btwrt

i think basically hax called helenkeller a phony ... what else happened?
8:47 pm
caffeinatedelf

see? my spelling is going all to pot!
8:47 pm
btwrt

LOL
8:47 pm
raerae7133

People love you. They respect you. It's clear that you are vital to this community.
8:48 pm
btwrt

that's real nice. now it's spreading the country
8:48 pm
hurshy

1) hax did not call our helen a phony
8:48 pm
raerae7133

I called the REAL helen a phony
8:48 pm
hurshy

2) my sister likes gross humor, i had to tell her
8:48 pm
caffeinatedelf

actually i was always pronouncing it 'buttwort' or 'buttwurt', like liverwurst or something
8:48 pm
btwrt

i know :) but it sounded so big and important, i had to say it
8:48 pm
hurshy

lol
8:48 pm
raerae7133

by the way, rt?
8:48 pm
btwrt

i'm used to being made fun of for my screen name *sniff* i don't care *sniffle*
8:48 pm
hurshy

3) helen, i assumed YOU finished last night after i left
8:49 pm
caffeinatedelf

i'm sorrreeee
8:49 pm
hurshy

it's not your fault, elf, remember i figured it out myself
8:49 pm
raerae7133

hurshy, question :)
8:49 pm
helenkeller

oh hursh - you do know what they say about assuming?
8:49 pm
caffeinatedelf

true. but she's my sister and i am liable just because.
8:49 pm
hurshy

yes i do helen
8:49 pm
hurshy

so many comments to respond to all at once!
8:49 pm
raerae7133

4/8/9, 2/4/8, 4/8, and 2/9. Does that count as a quadruple group? :)
8:49 pm
btwrt

lol i'm not THAT thinskinned ...
8:50 pm
hurshy

yes
8:50 pm
raerae7133

I think that means I screwed up then :(
8:50 pm
helenkeller

are you kidding me - i was so confused i was questioning myself if is really knew that basenji was a dog - quite out of it
8:50 pm
helenkeller

and getting there today too,
8:50 pm
hurshy

yeah who is basenji anyway
8:50 pm
hurshy

i know benji the dog
8:51 pm
hurshy

are you drinking again helen?
8:51 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's my fault too!
8:51 pm
hurshy

anyway helen i'm sorry i just figured i lost the race.
8:51 pm
helenkeller

i am drinnking for everyone tonight - designated drinker
8:51 pm
hurshy

what is your fault elf?
8:51 pm
raerae7133

oh wait. nevermind
8:51 pm
helenkeller

finishing off stuff from last night's affir
8:51 pm
caffeinatedelf

the drinking! helen is drinking and it's all my fault.
8:51 pm
helenkeller

lol
8:52 pm
hurshy

did you give her the bottle?
8:52 pm
caffeinatedelf

no, but i told her she needed to drink FOR me, as i have run out of alcohol
8:52 pm
hurshy

:O
8:52 pm
caffeinatedelf

actually i think she offered
8:52 pm
helenkeller

i'm just being obliging
8:52 pm
hurshy

i think she would have done it anyway
8:52 pm
caffeinatedelf

but i took her up on it.
8:52 pm
hurshy

yeah, see?
8:52 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol!
8:52 pm
hurshy

well you can't drink for me, helen, bc i don't drink in the first place
8:53 pm
helenkeller

first a phoney - now a lush - what next?
8:53 pm
caffeinatedelf

hopefully a winner!
8:53 pm
hurshy

i already called you a lush last night
8:53 pm
hurshy

you must have been too drunk to remember
8:53 pm
helenkeller

well then i have ALOT of catching up to do for you hurshy
8:53 pm
hurshy

NO.
8:53 pm
hurshy

i refuse to be a party to the delinquency of a deaf-blind-mute
8:53 pm
helenkeller

yep - you're right make lush the first insult thrown my way
8:54 pm
raerae7133

yayayay!
8:54 pm
raerae7133

I got the puzzle
8:54 pm
helenkeller

ooops, too late for that hursh
8:54 pm
caffeinatedelf

WHEEEE!!! *confetti*
8:54 pm
hurshy

good job, hax. no guessing i hope.
8:54 pm
helenkeller

wtg hax!!!!
8:55 pm
btwrt

awesome! u rock
8:56 pm
derfasaurus

done and done
8:56 pm
hurshy

congrats, oh ancient reptile
8:56 pm
derfasaurus

i had to use some scratch paper
8:57 pm
hurshy

is your name fred?
8:57 pm
derfasaurus

nope
8:57 pm
hurshy

oh, derf, do you not know about the green numbers?
8:57 pm
derfasaurus

nope
8:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

derf, you have the single most awesome screen name i have seen today
8:57 pm
hurshy

you can shift-click to mark possibles in the boxes
8:57 pm
hurshy

or alt-click for red.
8:57 pm
derfasaurus

ah, that would have made it nice
8:57 pm
btwrt

yeah , i like you sn too
8:58 pm
btwrt

*your, sorry
8:58 pm
derfasaurus

this was my first time here, good lesson learned
8:58 pm
derfasaurus

thank you
8:58 pm
hurshy

yw
8:58 pm
hurshy

why do people not read the "how to play"? (hurshy inquires of the universe, plaintively)
8:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am curious as well.
8:59 pm
caffeinatedelf

of course, i have a penchant for reading directions, as i hate to screw up for lack of instruction
8:59 pm
caffeinatedelf

some would rather wing it, confident in their current knowledge, i suppose
8:59 pm
derfasaurus

cause scratch paper works and i wanted to get started, im an anxious youth
8:59 pm
hurshy

ah, anxiety and sudoku do not mix well
9:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

the derfasaurus is an anxious youth. this would make a wonderful band name
9:00 pm
btwrt

reading rules is so boring
9:00 pm
hurshy

hmmm, i'd drop the "the"
9:00 pm
hurshy

snappier that way
9:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

yes. you're right, hursh
9:00 pm
btwrt

oh and also, i don't learn well by reading ... i learn well by doing. i can't always visualize what i'm reading
9:00 pm
caffeinatedelf

excuses!!
9:00 pm
hurshy

but in this case, you had to learn by reading
9:01 pm
hurshy

unless you just go around trying shift-click on things a lot
9:01 pm
derfasaurus

sometimes when i read i see letters but the letters dont form words and sometimes when i read words they fail to make sentences
9:01 pm
caffeinatedelf

(((hurshy))) you are a woman after my own heart
9:01 pm
hurshy

derf, how young are you?
9:01 pm
btwrt

lol i DID learn by reading what you guys were saying ... which was interesting to read! instructions tend to be dry stuff
9:01 pm
derfasaurus

i call it A.D.D.
9:01 pm
hurshy

or maybe you have a form of dyslexia, derf
9:01 pm
caffeinatedelf

you didn't even TRY first, lol, btwrt
9:01 pm
hurshy

the "how to play" is very short.
9:02 pm
btwrt

right. i know this about myself, so i just skip the instructions
9:02 pm
btwrt

:D
9:02 pm
caffeinatedelf

to thine own self be true
9:02 pm
derfasaurus

its possible, but hey, i got through school got my degree and my BS, now i dont "have" to read ever again, just when i want to
9:02 pm
hurshy

lol derf, as long as it doesn't happen with road signs
9:02 pm
derfasaurus

and i def dont want to read how to play
9:03 pm
derfasaurus

luckily for you all, road signs are quick and to the point, only take a glance
9:03 pm
derfasaurus

they ever start making signs that are longer than 4 words we're all in big big trouble
9:03 pm
caffeinatedelf

i have to agree
9:04 pm
caffeinatedelf

i cannot read long signs, i always miss everything instead of getting at least part
9:04 pm
caffeinatedelf

unless, of course, i am standing under it. then i have no problems.
9:04 pm
btwrt

i hate the ones that say, you have to drive 35 between the hours of this and this or this and this or this and this
9:05 pm
derfasaurus

if you're standing under it i think you might have bigger troubles than knowing whats down the road, mostly your car is likely broken
9:05 pm
btwrt

i can never read all the times and then i'm all worried about it
9:05 pm
hurshy

you guys have more complex signs than we do
9:05 pm
derfasaurus

<- good english!
9:05 pm
derfasaurus

DERF!
9:05 pm
caffeinatedelf

true, derf!
9:05 pm
derfasaurus

all those damn carpool signs, i know the ones you speak of
9:05 pm
caffeinatedelf

or school zone signs
9:06 pm
derfasaurus

yeah, damn kids complicating things
9:06 pm
btwrt

you know what's funny, caff? down here we have 'SPEED HUMP' signs instead of 'SPEED BUMP' signs
9:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

you'd nearly hit a poor kid if you tried to read the sign so well
9:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHAHA!!
9:06 pm
hurshy

oh my
9:06 pm
derfasaurus

like they can dodge a car going 35 better than they can dodge one going 25
9:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

that makes it sound like SO much more fun than it actually is
9:06 pm
btwrt

i laugh everytime i see one. nobody gets why tho but me
9:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

silly rednecks
9:06 pm
caffeinatedelf

:)
9:07 pm
derfasaurus

i like the occassional speed hump
9:07 pm
hurshy

that reminds me of when my french teacher (conservative old maid) showed us dances with wolves dubbed in french
9:07 pm
btwrt

that's because they make really really wide ones - so they really are more than a bump
9:07 pm
AliMcsweet

I was visiting my friend in Michigan and they have speed hump signs.. I never had seen one before- totally laughed for the longest time
9:07 pm
derfasaurus

alright, im outta here, be back tomorrow to take down another puzzle
9:07 pm
caffeinatedelf

where in michigan? that's where i'm from, i've never seen one!
9:07 pm
btwrt

really in MI? see i came from there and had never seen one, now that i'm in FL that's all they have
9:07 pm
hurshy

she was horrified by the sex scene and tried to fast forward throught it, but of course that only made them go faster
9:07 pm
caffeinatedelf

bye derf!
9:07 pm
btwrt

c-ya later, derf!
9:07 pm
AliMcsweet

in east grand rapids
9:07 pm
hurshy

bye derf
9:07 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHAHA, hurshy
9:07 pm
btwrt

hahaha hurshy
9:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

huh. weird college kids!
9:08 pm
btwrt

caff, get outta my head
9:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

no, i was here first
9:08 pm
btwrt

hmph
9:08 pm
AliMcsweet

Where are you from in MI?
9:08 pm
AliMcsweet

and where?
9:08 pm
AliMcsweet

I mean were?
9:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am confused!! and also in flint. genesee county.
9:09 pm
AliMcsweet

sorry- btwrt said they were from Mi and you are right?
9:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

yeah - btwrt is my sister who went and moved to florida
9:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

florida, the land of speed humps
9:10 pm
btwrt

lol and rednecks
9:10 pm
AliMcsweet

I see!
9:10 pm
btwrt

that's why we sometimes say the same thing at the same time. we have nearly the same brain.
9:11 pm
AliMcsweet

Yea- they had speed hump signs in East GR, but that is the only place I saw them when I was in MI.. the same brain, hehe...
9:11 pm
caffeinatedelf

that explains a lot. give me back my half!
9:11 pm
AliMcsweet

ha!
9:11 pm
caffeinatedelf

lol, ali. that is so funny - i wonder if my husband has seen them. he has friends up there.
9:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

he says he hasn't seen them up there
9:12 pm
AliMcsweet

:) I am from Minnesota, so we only have speed bumps... I couldn't believe what I read at first..
9:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

'course, he's not the most observant of folks...
9:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

ah! cold and snowy over there too?
9:12 pm
AliMcsweet

oh-- it was by the blockbuster by GR's uptown
9:13 pm
AliMcsweet

cold and snowy is going away... it was 45 today
9:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

that's nice
9:13 pm
AliMcsweet

I am actually moving to GR
9:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

it snowed here today. bleah!
9:13 pm
AliMcsweet

yuk!
9:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

wow, cool!
9:13 pm
AliMcsweet

I am excited
9:13 pm
AliMcsweet

it will be a good change
9:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

what is the occasion, if i may ask?
9:14 pm
AliMcsweet

oh I am transferring schools
9:14 pm
caffeinatedelf

from which to which?
9:14 pm
AliMcsweet

The Univeristy of MN to GVSU
9:14 pm
AliMcsweet

better special education program in MI
9:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

hey cool - my husband took a semester at GVSU
9:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

i hope you do well!
9:15 pm
AliMcsweet

which campus?
9:15 pm
AliMcsweet

thanks!
9:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

allendale
9:15 pm
patsee

YAY, FINALLY turned the corner and collected the big 3 pts, speed humps and all
9:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

hooray :)
9:15 pm
btwrt

yay for patsee!
9:16 pm
AliMcsweet

it is really nice--compared to the U of MN... clean and nice buildings
9:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

tim (husband) says he really liked it, that it was very nice
9:16 pm
AliMcsweet

:) good!! It is good to hear positives about it
9:17 pm
ashling

so you got it all done? I'm still stuck
9:17 pm
hurshy

ashling, did you get the bit about the nines on the right side?
9:17 pm
ashling

well i have two places for the nines to go in atm
9:18 pm
hurshy

that's ok, what i mean is, did you note... where are the choices in the right middle group, and what that means about the choices in the right bottom group?
9:19 pm
patsee

i had so many little greenies it was helpful toward the end, but shheeesh, it seemed easier than the EASY puzzle the other day...i had to throw in the towel on that one
9:19 pm
ashling

well after that i got to put in three numbers in the bottom right
9:19 pm
hurshy

ok, good
9:19 pm
hurshy

did you then remove the numbers you put in from everywhere else they affected?
9:19 pm
ashling

i did
9:20 pm
hurshy

ok, so you are stuck at the point, then, i think, where you need to use similar logic as you did with those 9's, in the upper left box
9:20 pm
hurshy

i hope... it is so hard to remember...
9:21 pm
patsee

so, once you finish, there's no getting your puzzle back, huh? is that what you meant by a screen shot and how do you do that?
9:21 pm
hurshy

you hit print screen right before you are done
9:21 pm
hurshy

then you can paste it in Paint
9:22 pm
hurshy

but dr_g SAID he would make it so you could see your puzzle after you were done... he just hasn't yet... i hope he hasn't changed his mind.
9:23 pm
patsee

next time i will do that, my eyes feel all gritty trying to figure this one out for the last hour or more
9:24 pm
btwrt

i won!!!!
9:24 pm
btwrt

OMG i thought i'd never do it. whew
9:25 pm
hurshy

yay, buttwart!
9:25 pm
btwrt

hurshy ... you made my joy just a little bit less
9:25 pm
hurshy

oops, sorry :(
9:25 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHAHAHAHA
9:25 pm
patsee

if babble looks like blither, i'm going to bed
9:25 pm
hurshy

babble nice today :)
9:26 pm
hurshy

you should just embrace it... go all the way and CHANGE it to buttwart.
9:26 pm
btwrt

its ok
9:26 pm
btwrt

haha
9:26 pm
btwrt

i should. it'd be so shocking and unexpected
9:26 pm
hurshy

that it would
9:26 pm
btwrt

yay now i have like a 4 or is it 5 point ranking. w00t!
9:27 pm
ashling

hmmm...
9:27 pm
hurshy

did you pick up w00t from anj?
9:27 pm
hurshy

where did that come from?
9:27 pm
btwrt

no, from caff. sorry
9:27 pm
hurshy

i just wonder bc i use the word woot as a synonym for cute, on account of how they rhyme.
9:27 pm
btwrt

*i mean, sort of
9:27 pm
btwrt

i typed sorry there, whoah, i need to sleep or something
9:28 pm
hurshy

still stuck, ashling?
9:28 pm
btwrt

omg my 17 month old keeps burping from the other room. it's cracking me up
9:28 pm
hurshy

boy or girl?
9:28 pm
btwrt

my little man :)
9:28 pm
ashling

yes :S
9:28 pm
hurshy

oh, this is my little man in the picture, marty.
9:28 pm
btwrt

he's drinking milk and burping. lol
9:28 pm
btwrt

aww he's cute
9:28 pm
hurshy

marty could do that!
9:29 pm
helenkeller

there is a movie on our pbs station with a young tom selleck, a very young michael douglas & a very, very young genevive boujold
9:29 pm
hurshy

ashling, there SHOULD be some number by now in the upper left group that can only go on the right or something
9:30 pm
hurshy

which should help you eliminate something from the middle left group
9:30 pm
helenkeller

i think it's coma - weird to see them all so young - but back to the grid now
9:30 pm
ashling

oh! indeed there is ;)
9:31 pm
hurshy

ok, phew.
9:32 pm
AliMcsweet

I had it and then a stupid 6! how frustrating!
9:32 pm
ashling

i'd missed it for ages.
9:34 pm
AliMcsweet

I have to take a break
9:52 pm
ashling

Thanks hurshy
9:52 pm
hurshy

you done, then?
9:52 pm
ashling

*nods*
9:52 pm
hurshy

excellent, well done.
9:53 pm
hurshy

guys, now me and my sister are using buttwart rampantly as an insult.
9:54 pm
hurshy

hmmm... perhaps you're not looking at the chat anymore.
9:55 pm
ashling

;)
9:55 pm
caffeinatedelf

augh!
9:55 pm
hurshy

i told her, sticks and stones may break my bones...
9:55 pm
hurshy

but what will get rid of my buttwarts?
9:55 pm
btwrt

OMG
9:56 pm
btwrt

and i thought we were sisters ...
9:56 pm
hurshy

we are!
9:56 pm
btwrt

;) j/k. good line, i must say
9:56 pm
hurshy

:)
9:56 pm
hurshy

now wait, did either of you finish the puzzle yet?
9:56 pm
btwrt

i should have been webdefine instead
9:56 pm
btwrt

i finished it! i'm helped caff now
9:56 pm
caffeinatedelf

i have not
9:57 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am mired in deeply
9:57 pm
btwrt

i'm helping i mean
9:57 pm
hurshy

yes i got it :)
9:57 pm
hurshy

are you helping with logic or just telling her where numbers go?
9:58 pm
caffeinatedelf

logic
9:58 pm
hurshy

oh good
9:59 pm
ashling

The friend list works only to let you know who is online of the people you've added?
9:59 pm
hurshy

yes
10:00 pm
hurshy

and who is not...
10:00 pm
ashling

Ah I see :)
10:01 pm
hurshy

that made me think of princess bride again "who is right and who is dead"
10:01 pm
btwrt

yes, i can't stand cheating so i don't tell her things ... in an easy way. haha
10:02 pm
btwrt

i think she's ok now. she got the nine thing in the bottom right and her little green possibles look good
10:02 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am not okay.
10:02 pm
btwrt

whut?
10:02 pm
caffeinatedelf

i am better! but not okay.
10:02 pm
btwrt

send me another screen shot?
10:02 pm
caffeinatedelf

i should not have asked helen to drink so much. i feel drunk.
10:03 pm
caffeinatedelf

ok
10:03 pm
hurshy

next comes similar logic up in the upper left corner
10:05 pm
btwrt

do you do babble, hurshy?
10:05 pm
hurshy

yes yes yes, that is how i got here
10:06 pm
btwrt

oh ok. finished todays?
10:06 pm
hurshy

i have only been a sudoku player for a week and a half or so
10:06 pm
hurshy

i never tried it before that.
10:06 pm
btwrt

oh wow, i figured you were an old pro! :)
10:06 pm
hurshy

yes i finished babble, i finish every day, barring 14 hours of driving or something.
10:06 pm
btwrt

i've been playing sudoku longer than that, but at websudoku which is much easier (i think)
10:06 pm
btwrt

wow. i have a harder time with babble - i'm not really familiar with the more obscure short words
10:06 pm
hurshy

well you see, it is spring break, so once i started i have been playing like all day on websudoku
10:07 pm
hurshy

by now i have done like a thousand sudokus
10:07 pm
hurshy

that is why i seem like an old pro
10:07 pm
hurshy

you get familiar with the short obscure words as you go
10:07 pm
hurshy

but there are also resources to help you
10:08 pm
hurshy

do you know about the second letter list, if you don't use that it's really hard
10:08 pm
hurshy

until you get awesome :)
10:12 pm
btwrt

oh really? where's the second letter list?
10:13 pm
hurshy

there's more than one now
10:13 pm
btwrt

(sorry i was off looking at caff's screenshot)
10:13 pm
hurshy

brandyjack's is on babblers anon, first post under general
10:13 pm
btwrt

oh ok
10:13 pm
hurshy

if his isn't there, mrp now posts one on angelsong's page
10:13 pm
hurshy

if you get really stuck, you can try www.morewords.com
10:13 pm
hurshy

or ask for clues of course
10:14 pm
btwrt

aighty! :) i was happy with today's, i got 52 out of the 80 which for me wasn't bad
10:14 pm
hurshy

day ain't over yet, whatcha stoppin for?
10:14 pm
hurshy

if you get the second letter listing you can get them all
10:15 pm
btwrt

hip hip hooray!!
10:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

GLORY HALLELUJAH, THE ANGELS ARE SINGING
10:15 pm
hurshy

you got this, then, elf?
10:15 pm
btwrt

lol i'm not saying i won't try some more. just that i was already happy
10:15 pm
hurshy

:)
10:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

i did
10:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

thank you all for your help
10:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

:D
10:16 pm
btwrt

do you ever play that typing game, whatsitcalled, the addictive one
10:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh! that one is good
10:16 pm
hurshy

?
10:16 pm
caffeinatedelf

let me find the link
10:16 pm
hurshy

i can't access everything, the school blocks a lot of game sites
10:16 pm
btwrt

2addicted.com, that's it
10:16 pm
hurshy

i can't do iwin.com
10:16 pm
btwrt

oh i see, that must kinda suck.
10:17 pm
caffeinatedelf

http://2addicted.com/words
10:17 pm
btwrt

anyway, every once in a while i try to go on there and get first place for the 24 hour period or whatever
10:17 pm
caffeinatedelf

such a competitor, you are :)
10:18 pm
hurshy

*investigating*
10:18 pm
hurshy

you might like eight1 on www.eastoftheweb.com
10:19 pm
hurshy

also check out setgame.com
10:19 pm
btwrt

oh i did setgame the other day i think. i'll do that one again!
10:20 pm
btwrt

ok this site: http://www.eyezmaze.com/grow/RPG/index.html ... has the best coolest awesomest flash games ever
10:20 pm
btwrt

they are so fun, and you can spend a lot of time getting the combinations that work
10:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

oh lol, and they have the funniest sound effects too
10:23 pm
caffeinatedelf

my kids couldn't leave me alone while i was trying to solve those the other day
10:25 pm
btwrt

ahh, these sets are hard
10:26 pm
btwrt

you doing the sets, caff?
10:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

yup
10:27 pm
caffeinatedelf

have 3 so far
10:29 pm
Dossy

phew, solved it in time for midnight :)
10:30 pm
hurshy

wow, that is crazy
10:30 pm
hurshy

ok i did the typing one
10:30 pm
hurshy

i got 1791
10:30 pm
hurshy

is there a way to pause it for a break?
10:31 pm
hurshy

i'm 33rd in the last 24 hours, is that ok for a first go?
10:31 pm
Dossy

typing one?
10:31 pm
hurshy

btwrt told me about this typing game - look down in the log
10:32 pm
hurshy

eyemaze blocked for me though. :(
10:32 pm
hurshy

have you guys done quiddler on the set site also?
10:33 pm
caffeinatedelf

nope, i haven't done that one, hursh
10:33 pm
Dossy

huh?
10:33 pm
hurshy

other games, other sites, dossy
10:33 pm
Dossy

the 2addcted.com site?
10:33 pm
Dossy

ah, ok
10:33 pm
hurshy

quiddler i never really try to get top scores, i just try to get rid of all the cards and maybe a bonus or two.
10:34 pm
hurshy

it's more like scrabble, you really have to pick and choose and use obscure words
10:34 pm
hurshy

elf and btwrt, are you guys on IM?
10:36 pm
hurshy

dossy, do you like the blue castle?
10:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

yeah we are, hurshy
10:36 pm
btwrt

yes, we're on IM ... yahoo and umm whatsit. aol
10:36 pm
btwrt

and msn too, haha
10:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

take ur pick!
10:36 pm
caffeinatedelf

same screen name for me on yahoo
10:37 pm
btwrt

i'm webdefiner on yahoo, on my laptop
10:37 pm
caffeinatedelf

add a 78 to the end for AIM
10:37 pm
btwrt

and ... i'm btwrt for aim and msn, right caff?
10:37 pm
caffeinatedelf

yah u are
10:38 pm
caffeinatedelf

although i don't believe you are signed into AIM right now, btwrt
10:39 pm
Spencer

hello!
10:41 pm
caffeinatedelf

hello spencer!
10:41 pm
wwd

hi everyone
10:42 pm
caffeinatedelf

*waves*
10:42 pm
wwd

*waves back*
10:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

waiting for the new puzzle?
10:43 pm
wwd

no
10:43 pm
wwd

trying to finish up before 12
10:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

how's it going?
10:43 pm
wwd

just started
10:43 pm
caffeinatedelf

i played all freaking day, and FINALLY finished a little while ago, with help
10:43 pm
wwd

but not too bad
10:44 pm
wwd

are you finished already?
10:44 pm
wwd

oh... congratulations
10:44 pm
caffeinatedelf

already, hahahaha. :D but yes, i am done
10:52 pm
caffeinatedelf

done yet? only minutes left!
10:52 pm
wwd

there is more than one hour left
11:02 pm
hurshy

don't think she knew it was on central time
11:02 pm
wwd

i realized... no problem
11:02 pm
wwd

:)
11:03 pm
wwd

almost there
11:04 pm
hurshy

good!
11:04 pm
wwd

finished !!
11:04 pm
wwd

woot!!
11:05 pm
hurshy

yay!!! congrats.
11:05 pm
wwd

thanks....
11:05 pm
wwd

are you waiting around for another puzzle?
11:06 pm
hurshy

no, i'm just not logging off so i don't have to log back on, and i'm chatting on AIM, but thought SOMEONE should congrat you
11:06 pm
wwd

oh... thanks
11:06 pm
wwd

you're very kind
11:07 pm
hurshy

i try :)
11:07 pm
wwd

at least someone does
11:07 pm
wwd

what do you mean you are logging off so you don't have to log back on?
11:08 pm
hurshy

i'm NOT logging off so i don't have to log back on.
11:08 pm
wwd

oh
11:08 pm
wwd

whats your aim?
11:14 pm
wwd

hello?
11:14 pm
hurshy

oh, sorry, got distracted...
11:14 pm
wwd

n/p
11:15 pm
wwd

just bored waiting for the next one
11:15 pm
hurshy

what time zone?
11:15 pm
wwd

thought it would be easier for you to chat on aim
11:15 pm
wwd

im est
11:15 pm
hurshy

maybe if you are bored, then, you should go to bed and do this in the morning :)
11:16 pm
wwd

ha
11:16 pm
wwd

maybe i'm not tired
11:17 pm
hurshy

uhoh, my sister is really upset!!
11:17 pm
wwd

why?
11:17 pm
hurshy

something is wrong with her dog
11:18 pm
hurshy

she thinks she is choking
11:18 pm
wwd

hmm... that's not good
11:18 pm
wwd

what kind of dog is it?
11:18 pm
hurshy

toy poodle
11:18 pm
wwd

hmm... i don't really like poodles much
11:18 pm
hurshy

this dog is very annoying
11:19 pm
wwd

haha
11:19 pm
wwd

i can tell from your picture that you like cats
11:19 pm
hurshy

yes i like dogs too though
11:19 pm
hurshy

just not this one
11:19 pm
wwd

i like big dogs, but i prefer cats because they are much easier to take care of
11:21 pm
wwd

i have a part siamese cat
11:21 pm
hurshy

i have 3 cats, all dsh
11:22 pm
wwd

what is dsh
11:22 pm
hurshy

domestic short hair
11:22 pm
wwd

oh
11:22 pm
wwd

nice.... are you a cat lady?
11:23 pm
hurshy

um... i don't know, what makes one a cat lady?
11:23 pm
wwd

a lady with lots of cats
11:23 pm
wwd

but obsessed with them :)
11:24 pm
hurshy

hmmm
11:24 pm
hurshy

define obsessed
11:25 pm
wwd

i thought that was an obvious concept
11:25 pm
hurshy

well i do dote upon them
11:25 pm
hurshy

but i don't dress them up in outfits or anything
11:26 pm
wwd

i doubt you are a cat lady then....
11:26 pm
wwd

you sound pretty normal
11:26 pm
hurshy

that's a relief
11:26 pm
wwd

i'm sure
11:27 pm
wwd

so what do you do?
11:27 pm
Dossy

wow, that 2addicted.com typing site ... addicting :)
11:27 pm
hurshy

no kidding, dossy
11:28 pm
hurshy

oh, i teach math
11:30 pm
wwd

math
11:31 pm
wwd

what kind of math
11:31 pm
hurshy

calc and precalc
11:32 pm
wwd

nice... is it high school or uni?
11:32 pm
hurshy

HS
11:33 pm
wwd

do you like teaching?